Matildas Asian Cup Preview with Poletti from The Dubcast


Poletti from The Dubcast joined me to preview the Asian Cup, with a focus on the Matildas, in this bonus episode. we talked through:
- Squad selections and some new fitness concerns;
- What to expect from the A-League Women's players in the squad;
- Opposition analysis including who are the main threats to the Matildas;
- Competition permutations - who could play who and World Cup qualification is on the line;
- Predictions and what success looks like for the Matildas.
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The Aussie Football Passport website is here, and our social media includes Facebook, Instagram and X/Twitter.
00:00 - Intro
01:10 - Special Guest Poletti from The Dubcast
02:27 - Matildas squad selection
07:54 - Holly McNamara discussion
10:00 - Michelle Heyman's role at the Cup
12:23 - Chloe Lincoln discussion
15:48 - Mackenzie Arnold in doubt?
23:41 - Women's World Cup qualification on the line
25:04 - Opposition analysis
29:28 - Are Japan the favourites?
36:31 - What is the pass mark for the Matildas?
41:08 - Predicting the starting XI
43:09 - Where you can find The Dubcast
45:43 - Conclusion
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Welcome to the Aussie football passport, your one stop pod for Aussie
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men and women footballers who are playing their club careers abroad. I'm your
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host, Alex. But this is a special show. We have got the
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preview for the Matilda's Asian cup campaign coming up
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in very shortly, I should say. And to help
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me out with this show, I have a special guest from Dubcast. I've got Paletti.
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Paletti, how are you? Any day I get to talk football is a good
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day. And with the Asian cup just around the corner,
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you know, I've spent enough time talking about all of the other nations.
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So it'd be nice to, it'd be nice to just hone in on the Matildas
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for a little bit. Yeah, definitely, yeah. So that's what we want to do.
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We want to talk about the Matildas mainly and we'll do a little bit of
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the opposition towards the back end, but let's focus on the
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mighty Matildas and whether they can win this thing. So palette,
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I might get you to start. Just give our listeners a plug for
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the dubcast. Where can they find you and your wonderful work?
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Yep. So the dubcast, you can find us on all the major podcasting
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platforms. You can also find us on YouTube. You know,
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we're putting out, we put out new episodes every, every Wednesday, most weeks during
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the women's season. Off season gets a little bit tricky because of the,
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because of the nature of women's football in this country. There's not always things like,
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there's not always news coming out to talk about, you know, unlike, you know,
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the men's off season where, you know, there's a story or two every week,
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even in the off season. So, you know, we, we do
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try to put out content regularly and during the Asian cup, we are planning on
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doing daily episodes around the tournament. So, you know,
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feel free to, feel free to check us out. We'd be more than happy to,
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you know, have, have all the company that wants to tune in. Myself and
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Burke will be running the show primarily and we'll have guests in throughout the tournament
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as well. Awesome. Yeah, definitely. Go check out Dubcast.
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They do a wonderful job of covering women's football here in Australia and power
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to them, particularly with the Asian cup coming up.
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There's going to be plenty of good content for the show, no doubt.
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So let's get into it. Paletti,
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let's get your thoughts on the squad.
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First of all, were there any glaring omissions or
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players that you wanted to see that weren't picked?
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I mean, there's always players that I want to say that aren't picked. You know,
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that doesn't necessarily mean, you know, they're glaring
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omissions per se. Look, I, I've been on the Sasha Grove bandwagon
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for quite some time, but, you know, she's got a lot of depth to a
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lot of players in front of her to compete with. So I think I,
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at least I hope she'll be, she'll be one of these post tournament players.
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Izzy Gomez, I think, was a little bit stiff to miss out. Joe Montemiri
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did say there was, there was a few women players
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that were, you know, it was, it was hard to leave them out of the
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squad, you know, in his, in his squad announcement press conference.
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So hopefully that's going to give some indications, you know,
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post Asian cup as to, you know, where some of the newer players might,
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might come from. You know, as, as, you know, players retire
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and, you know, you know, and, and whatnot.
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Charlie Grant look obviously injured, you know,
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just, just missing out. I think, you know, another week or two
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before the tournament starts and she's probably there. So it's just, it's just unfortunate
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for her. But yeah, I wouldn't say there's too many, you know, glaring omissions.
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This is probably the best squad on paper that Joe could have
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selected. I was definitely, I was definitely surprised to see
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Alex Chidiak. I think a lot of people were surprised to see Alex Chidiak because
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she's kind of flown under the radar since she left Melbourne Victory went to Colmar.
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But, you know, that's, that's the beauty of the way Joe Montemiro wants to play
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football is, you know, unlike under previous coaches,
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someone like an Alex Shiriak can thrive under
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Montemiro because she's a, she's a player that doesn't necessarily fit
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some traditional systems, I'll say, in terms
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of tactics and formation. But, you know, Joe has
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said that he's very flexible and it's a very fluid formation and, you know,
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you can't really define it by like a, a 433 or a 424 or a
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541 or whatever. Like, it's, it's very fluid. So that gives someone,
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you know, like an Alex Chidiac a very good chance to thrive, probably off
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the bench, I'd say. But I reckon there's like, like there will be a game
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here where she'll probably start. Just don't ask me which one.
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Yeah, yeah, it'll, it'll no doubt depend on the, the Opposition and,
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and potentially the fitness of Mary Fowler, you'd think, right?
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That's an interesting one because I don't think
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they're going to play the same position. I think,
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look, we haven't seen how Joe Montemiro wants to use Mary
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Fowler because obviously she's been injured. I think,
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I think we saw her play her best for the Matilda's
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under Tom Simone in the, in the window just before she got injured at right
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wing in those South Korea games. So I'd like to see Fowler get a chance
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there. You know, maybe like a Razzo Fowler, one, two, start,
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whichever. I'm not fast and let. Let Chidiac do her own thing. I don't,
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I don't necessarily think they're like for like replacements certainly very dynamic players, but I
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don't think like, for like. Yeah, they've probably got different profiles I guess
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and it can almost get a little bit
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confused because Fowlers played a lot centrally
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and I guess Chidiac sort of, that's the role that she's played at
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club level even though they are two different profiles of player.
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So I guess that's probably where the confusion is. But you're right,
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Polity. I think that that right wing role for Fowler is something that she
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could certainly do quite well and, and maybe
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allow them to both play together in, in a very
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fluid sort of attacking front third set up for the Matildas, as he
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said, which is what Joe Montemiro wants to do. So it
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could be. I mean the, the options are endless, aren't they, in that front third
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for, for the Matildas at the moment. Which is fantastic to see. I guess long
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gone are the days of the over reliance on Sam Kerr. Right.
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Yeah. And, and that's, and that's almost been by default
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like because you know, obviously Sam Kerr was out for nearly two years with,
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you know, with those multiple injuries. Look, I,
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I don't. Yeah, it's tough, right? Like she's clearly
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still the best striker available. But I
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want to see, I want to see Holly Mack step up
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throughout this tournament. I want to see, you know,
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I can't even say Michelle Heyman step up because she's done it so often for
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the Matildas. But you know, I want to see her,
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I want to see her shine again in this tournament in whatever role she plays
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and it'll more than likely be an off the bench role deep
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in games. But yeah, I, when Holly Mack
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is given the chance, I want to see her shine and show that she is
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the hair, the heir apparent to the Number nine spot, if that's the way
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Montemiro sees her as well, which I can't imagine he wouldn't.
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Yeah, you'd think so. And actually the perfect segue
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there palette. It's almost as if we planned it. I was going to ask for
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listeners that aren't as familiar with the A League women's and particularly
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Holly Mack and Michelle Heyman. Let's start with Holly
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Mack. First of all, what can we expect from her? What sort of
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player is she and how do you think she'll fit in this
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Matilda's setup for the Asian Cup?
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So Holly Mack, is she,
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she's going to be a replacement for Sam Kerr off the bench. Like there might
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be, there might be a game or two where she starts, but for the most
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part it's, you know, she'll be there as a replacement,
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which, you know, I certainly don't have any sort of,
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you know, problems or qualms or issues with. I think that's,
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I think that's more than, more than fair. She'll take the game on. She'll,
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she'll attack oppositions. A phrase that, you know,
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Burke and I have thrown around quite a bit is that she
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has no self preservation skills because she's just always going into challenges and she's always,
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you know, she's always giving it 110. Right. But like her footballing IQ was great.
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She knows, you know, she knows where to be, she knows when to make the
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run, she knows when to pass it off like. And so I can, you know,
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I think this will be a very much a breakout tournament for Holly McNamara and
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should hopefully at least get her on the way to being a household name
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in a, you know, in, in Matilda's circles. I,
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you know, and I just should hopefully encourage people to come watch her at Melbourne
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City while you still can because look, I don't think she's too much
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longer for the dub. As much as I, as much as I'd love to watch
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it for another 12 months, I, I very much think she's gone at the end
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of the season. Yeah. Okay, there you go. And that, that's brilliant. And that,
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that's ultimately, you know, what we want to see, isn't it? We want ladies
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go through the, the A League women's and, and progress to
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the international stage. Much like I guess a lot of the leagues around
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the world, you, you're ultimately aiming to get to, to one of the top European
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leagues and hopefully that, that can certainly be the case for, for Holly Mack.
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Now to the other end of the. The Spectrum to another A league
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women's player, Michelle Heyman, no doubt. Probably her last tournament, I think it's
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fair to say. What sort of role do you think she'll play in this tournament?
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I think it'll very much be a subs role off the bench, maybe start
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a game, you know, you know, in a heavily
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rotated squad. You know that. But it depends on what Joe Montemiro
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wants to do. Right? And I think that's ultimately, I think that's ultimately the answer.
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I think a big part of the reason Michelle Heyman is still
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there is because there's
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been no one else in the last few years that is
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fit and healthy at the moment that sort of, you know, can be that
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back to goal number nine that you, you know, you want that real poacher sort
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of strike that she's done so many times before. And you, you got to remember,
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like Michelle Heyman full completely retired at, you know,
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you know, a few years back and she's come out of retirement both at,
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you know, domestic and international level.
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You know, it's like. So it's, you know, she's, I don't want to say
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borrowed time because that feels like the wrong phrase. But like, you know, she's been
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given this second lease over Matilda's career
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of, you know, an A league women career by coming out of retirement. And you
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know, I just, I'd love to see her,
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I'd love to see her shine here again at this tournament,
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but I think she'll have a very limited role off the bench, which is,
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which is not a problem, you know, as we saw at the World cup,
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you know, much to the chagrin of a lot of
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players and fans and you know,
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everyone is that Gustafsson used a very select amount of players.
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And you know, that's unfortunately,
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you know what, what happens sometimes at tournaments. I think we'll see a little bit
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more here, you know, and I think we'll see Michelle Heyman, you know, get,
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get opportunities at different points. But Joe Montemiro will very much pick
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his spots. Yeah, definitely. It seems
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like Michelle will play that. Yeah,
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I guess that sort of either thrown on in the last five, 10 minutes
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as we're throwing the kitchen sink to try and win a
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game. That's the kind of role I guess I foresee
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her playing. And I think it sounds like you sort of agree there palette.
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So now quickly, one last player from the
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A league women's that is in the squad and again, probably very unlikely
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to get any minutes is Chloe Lincoln. In Goals there.
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Brisbane Royal goalkeeper. What. I guess she's
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probably the next in line for the goalkeeping role. Right. And this is about
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getting her tournament exposure. That's why she's been included
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alongside, of course, the unfortunate injury to Tegan.
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Mike, would you say that's probably fair to say that Chloe Lincoln's next sort
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of that. That fourth. Fourth down the. The pecking order of goalkeepers
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in Australia at the moment? Yeah, she's.
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I'd say, if you're wording it like that, yes.
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This is. This, this is such a.
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This is such a tough thing to. To talk
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about. I have been
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very critical of Chloe Lincoln this season.
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She has not had a good A league women's season. I think, like, there have
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been. There have been several key mistakes that have
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led to Brisbane Raw conceding goals and dropping points in games,
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but she's the one who has caps
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ultimately. And, you know, Sally James, who I argue
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is the next one, who should be the next one off the rank,
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doesn't have any caps. Jada Wyman doesn't have any caps.
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If Jada Wyman goes another tournament without a Matilda's cap,
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just. I might retire. Like,
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it's so annoying,
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you know, as. As someone who was a massive fan of Jada Wyman,
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who, you know, watched her for years at Sydney fc, be one of the best
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goalkeepers in the competition to just have never had a Matilda's
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cap. And I think,
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look, because today, as of the time of recording,
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Mackenzie Arnold did not take training. A Football Australia
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spokesperson said that Arnold was in the gym when.
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When asked that. I did read that. I read that in the Sydney
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Morning Herald article. Yeah, so that was.
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Yeah, so. So doesn't.
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It's. It's unclear, you know, who's gonna. Who's gonna
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start, when they're gonna start, what they're gonna do. I mean, Mackenzie Arnold should be
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the default number one at this point, but it's,
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it's an unknown and, you know, so it's.
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I mean, there is every chance we'll say Chloe Lincoln playing games at this Asian
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cup purely by being forced into
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playing games at this Asian Cup. But I definitely. Look, if she
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can, you know, she had, she had a decent game against Adelaide
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last week before the, before the Women's Asian cup break.
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Did concatenate a couple of goals, but made some fantastic saves. And if you were
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ever going to get confidence building back in a loss, that.
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That is certainly, you know, the sort of game you'd. You'd want to have.
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I mean, ideally, you'd want to have that sort of performance in a win.
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But you know, it is what it is at the end of the day.
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So yeah, it's, it's. It's an interesting and ongoing
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situation. So I think that's all I can really say on that, unfortunately. No,
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that's fine. Bloody. I think you've done an outstanding job of sort of
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putting the lay of the land out there. I did.
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I'm not sure if you also saw it, but I saw that Morgan Aquino has
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been drafted in last minute as well. I'm not sure if that's just like a
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training thing or if that there really is a concern there for. For Mackenzie
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Arnold, which I mean to lose the two I guess
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top keepers to injury would be a pretty devastating
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blow. Wouldn't would be. I think it's just
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the fact that she's in Perth, Morgan Aquino. She's, you know,
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international break at the moment. USL is on international break because,
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you know, it is a fee for international window this weekend and
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so she was obviously in town. Presumably she
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would have been one of the players on the shortlist that,
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you know, coaches and federations have to submit ahead
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of international windows and tournaments and stuff like that. So I just imagine
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it's. It's there purely in a train on capacity.
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That being said, you know, like there's every
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chance we could wake up tomorrow and Mackenzie Arnold misses Asian cup and
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Morgan Aquino, you know, is the, you know, is that is the keeper coming in
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and like, look, you know, touch on wood. That's not going to happen.
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Just. Yeah, as I said, it's. It's very much
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in, you know, a very fluid situation, I think. Yeah,
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we'll have to wait and see what happens with that one. Let's hope that Mackenzie
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Arnold is okay, but I guess if the opportunity presents itself,
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Morgan Aquino is also a pretty handy keeper, pardon the pun. So.
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All right, cool. Well, look, I think we've covered
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off that part. I think in summary,
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the depth in this side is quite strong, isn't it?
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It's crazy. I mean, I guess going to your point before about
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Tony Gustafsson and playing a very few,
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a very small amount of the players that he selected for that
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World Cup. I don't think that Montemuro has that issue really,
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does he? The quality in this side is just. Is just.
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It's come on quite a lot and I guess for you palette,
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you're not. Wouldn't be as surprised by that considering that,
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you know, you're watching the A League women's week in week out but for
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our fans, I guess that maybe aren't.
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Doesn't have I guess as intimate a knowledge of
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the A League women. Is that I guess a true reflection
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of the quality of the league and I
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guess the young players that are coming through the league and I guess where it's
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going, going in, in the next sort of couple of years? Yeah,
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look, I mean, you know, as you know, to reiterate as Joe
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said, there were some players to play, you know, here in the A League women
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who were very hard, a very hard done by to miss out.
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Including one who's currently not eligible for Australia even though she should be,
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at least in my opinion. I, you know, as soon as FIFA decide that
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Kayla Morrison is eligible to play for the Matildas, I, I'm, you know,
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I'm sure that Joe will be putting her into the squad.
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But I can say yeah, I can see, as you said, there's a
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lot of depth in this squad. I can see there being a lot of rotation
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throughout this tournament. Joe will pick his spots to, to rotate. He's not going to
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rotate for the sake of rotating it. Everything that he does will be tactical.
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And yeah, like I said, I, I think,
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look, the future is very, very bright. You know, as,
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as you said, I watch a lot of the A League women. I know Joe
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Montemuro watches the A League women every week. Every time
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that we've got our, we've got our photographer for Round Ball Australia down
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in Melbourne or one of our photographers and you know they're
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at A League women games, I always check said as soon as I, as soon
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as I get the album come through, I'm checking to see right what's Joe wearing
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this week? Who is he talking to? Who is he like? Because there's always a
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Joe once a mirror photo in there if he's at games. So I know
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Joe is very well aware of what the future is coming, coming through the the
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A leagues and I imagine he's going to have. He's going
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to be spoiled for choice after the Asian cup as we build towards the
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Women's World cup pending qualification. For those who aren't aware this
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tournament does double as World cup qualification, it will be the last time that
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the Asian cup doubles as World cup qualification in the women's
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game. For the, for the next cycle there will be dedicated World cup qualifying.
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So you know that that's an improvement and a sign that the game in Asia
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is growing or the women's game in Asia is growing. I hope that answered your
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question. Yeah, it Does. Yeah. Thank you. Bloody. And thank you also for that,
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that gem as well, that the World
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cup qualification is doubling up here in the. Or,
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I've got that around the wrong way. The Asian cup is doubling up as World
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cup qualification. So. Yes. And it. Everyone that gets through to
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the quarterfinals, if I'm correct, the top four
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go through. Is that right? Yeah. Okay, so make it through to the quarterfinals.
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You're guaranteed for qualifying if you make
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the. Said if you win your quarterfinal matchup, you're automatically through to the
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Women's World Cup. If you lose your quarterfinal matchup,
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those four teams will be playing two playoff games on
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the Gold coast, which will be on the 19th of March.
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The winners of those two games will go through to the World
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Cup. The losers of those two games will go into
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the interconfederation playoffs ahead of the World cup
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for, you know, another chance to,
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to make the, to make the tournament. So top eight will
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at least make qualifying, you know, top four
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automatics, which goes down to, you know, top six, quote unquote,
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when you playoff game, you're in. And then, yeah,
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there's two more second chance, third chance spots,
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you know, so. And it's something that's sort of gone under
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the radar and you know, talking with a, talking with a couple of people about
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this, you know, the fact that, you know that that fact has gone under the
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radar, that there's still like, there's not as many people talking about it and it
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took us 50 minutes into our Asian cup preview on the dubcast to actually bring
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that fact up. So like, like that, like we're people who talk about this on
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a regular basis and, you know, it took us almost an hour
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to bring that up. So like that, that should give you an indication of just
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how far down the radar that, you know, that little factoid is gone.
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Yeah, that. Yeah, exactly right. And I mean, it's,
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it's such a unique thing, isn't it? And it's,
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it's great to see that the Asian Confederation is now,
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I guess, you know, expanding the program if
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you like, or actually giving the World cup
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qualification process its own unique platform
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rather than bundling it in with another tournament. And you
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know, I guess we, you know, another issue is the prize money. But let's,
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let's not go there because they're still a bit dinosaur
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like there. It's the Asian Confederation, let's,
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let's put it that way. So baby steps. It seems to be with them,
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unfortunately. But yes, and,
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and also, look, it adds a couple of extra games to the tournament, doesn't it?
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It gives those teams that don't progress through to
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the court of, to the semi finals, I should say another
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chance at a competitive game to, to try and I guess add
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to or get through to the World cup which of course is the,
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the holy grail of football, isn't it?
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So it does. I mean some would argue it's the
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Olympics but you know, in terms of, particularly in the women's game, some might
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argue it's the Olympics but you know, it's the World cup, it's the Olympics.
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Look I, it's an extra game, you know, certain certainly
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helps but it also, it also changes the
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complexion of the group stage because obviously top two
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from each group go through but then you've got two third place, the two best
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third place finishes that will go through. So it creates that extra jeopardy for you
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know, those last two spots, you know, which means,
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you know, hopefully, you know, more excitement on match day threes
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particularly as you know the tournament starts to you know,
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hit towards the pointy end of the group stage. So you know, that's, that,
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that can't be discounted as well. Yeah, so that, that final match
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day of the group stages will be one to watch out for, won't it?
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There'll be lots of, as you said, lots of jeopardy. There'll be lots, there'll be
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places on the line and qualification and all
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of that, that great stuff that, that we've seen in, in past,
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I guess international tournaments that, that have a
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setup where I guess that that progression to the next stage is
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all based on that, that last match day which is, which is fantastic
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and it's exactly what we want. We want competitive games,
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we want to see some good quality football and I'm sure we're going to get
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both of those all right. Now speaking of opposition,
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let's do a quick analysis of the opposition.
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I guess. Paletti, who do you think is the biggest threat in the Matildas
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group? I mean the obvious answer is South
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Korea. So that is the obvious answer. That's not to say
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the Philippines and Iran should be taken lightly. And I certainly think,
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you know, just despite what happened in Olympic qualifying a couple of
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years ago, the Philippines could present a banana skin challenge
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for the, for the Matildas and
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so could Iran to be fair. Like, like there's like by
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virtue of being the host nation, the Matildas are supposed to have an easy,
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you know, supposed to have the easiest group. But you know,
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this is actually a somewhat difficult group.
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Like look, you know, all it's all it's going to take
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is one slip up and you know, suddenly,
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I mean, to be fair, that might also make for easier tournament progression which we'll
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get into a little bit later. But you know, it's certainly not as
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breeze through get, you know, three wins from three, you know, make the quarters
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and you know, walt your way through to the semis
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likely against Japan. We'll touch on that a little bit later.
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You know, so yeah, on paper it's,
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it's South Korea, but the Philippines and Iran could certainly present their own challenges.
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Yeah, that's so true. And palette,
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particularly Philippines, I guess there's a bit of inside knowledge there,
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isn't there? Of course we've got the Philippines coach there who has
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coached in the A League women's at Western United. Then you've got the
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likes of Angie Beard and I think there's a couple others who have come through
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the A League women's system. So I mean they're going to be right up for
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it and they've got the, the knowledge of, of how some
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of our girls play and, and the way that they want to play.
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Do you think that that adds a little bit extra to particularly this,
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this opening game against the Philippines?
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Look it, like I said, we saw this game in Olympic
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qualifying, you know, two, two and a bit years ago and
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you know, it was an 8 nil victory for the Matildas.
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I don't think it, I don't think, you know,
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history or otherwise, it does a ton, I think. I,
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I think, I think the Philippines have changed the way they've played a little
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bit. I know the Matildas are going to change the plot the way they play
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a little bit. They're set up tactically and formationally on the Joe Montemura as we
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touched on, very fluid, very, you know,
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non like, like no set system per se. Like, like he'll have
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things that he wants to do but you know, there's really no traditional way to
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describe it as, as he said last week in press conference.
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So no, I don't, I don't think it's necessarily an advantage or a disadvantage.
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I think it's just going to be the Philippines coming out to play because
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they want to make sure that they can, you know, try to, you know,
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maybe Snake there was the best third place team in the group. You know,
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match day two, they could very easily take it to South Korea and cause an
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upset or a draw and suddenly that changes the whole dynamic
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of match day three. So, you know, the Philippines will be up for it.
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I just don't think there's necessarily an advantage or a disadvantage.
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I will say I am so disappointed that Serena Bolden
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has been unable to recover from her ACL injury in time.
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I did an interview with, you know, Serena a few years ago. Wonderful person,
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lovely human being, great footballer
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like, she lit up the A League women while she was here. I was just
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so disappointed she's not going to get a chance to play here for the Philippines.
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Yeah, it's an absolute shame, isn't it, when you
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know, a tournament gets robbed of, you know, quite potentially
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one of its best players and you know, to know that she's
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such a wonderful human as well, it's. It makes it doubly sad I
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guess, in that situation. So, all our best to Serena.
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Hopefully she's not too far off from getting back on the pitch and I
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guess getting back to, I guess that opposition analysis.
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Japan, they're the, are they the
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favorites outside of Matilda's in your mind polity,
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they're the favorite period. It's Japan, then Australia,
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then some crazy
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mix of China, North Korea, South Korea and then there's everyone else.
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Like it is clearly Japan one. There's a gap. Australia too,
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there's a gap. Here's everyone else,
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then another gap and then here's the rest. Like, like that is,
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that is just the reality of how far ahead Japan are in
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the afc, that if
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the Matilda's top their group and Japan tops their group like they are on a
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collision course of the semi finals. And look,
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Australia has never lost to Japan in
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a semifinal match at the, at the Women's Asian Cup.
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They've lost in every other time they played group stage, you know,
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final, but they've never lost in a semifinal.
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But, and I've said this so many times, it genuinely
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feels like it's beginning to lose meaning. But when I look at, you know,
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the potential Australia vs Japan
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matchup in the semifinals, I absolutely cannot
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get that Shiva Leafs cup game out of my head where Japan were
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just on the throttle for 90 minutes, a four nil romping on
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neutral territory in the United States during, during that, you know,
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during that game. And I don't know if you
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know, a screaming crowd of, you know, 70 plus thousand Australians
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here in Australia will make
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that much of a difference because I think the gap is just so,
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so massive. And yeah, like, like you
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talk to someone like Aaliyah Blaney, who's now an assistant coach with Japan,
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was Previously the under 20s coach, you know,
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here in Australia, you know, for, for the, for the
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young Matildas and her philosophy was always,
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how do we catch Japan? How do we set up a
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team? How do we build a team so that we can keep up with Japan,
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so that we can grow towards closing the gap with Japan?
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And, you know, she was able to, she was
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able to try and do that and then eventually, you know, she ended up getting
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offered an opportunity when Niels Nelson took the role.
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And, you know, she, she absolutely, you know, leapt to that opportunity. And I don't
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blame her, to be honest. Like, she's, you know, she's the sort of coach that's
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going to make Japan stronger, you know, help, you know, help build
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that program top to bottom. Not that it needs building is the wrong term to
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use, but help strengthen that program from, from top to bottom.
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And, you know, and I think that's just, it's so unfortunate that, you know,
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one of our brightest coaches, particularly one of our, you know,
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one of the few female coaches, you know,
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you know, they're going at such a top level, is helping our main
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opposition in Asia. So, you know,
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it, look, Japan's a threat. It will be the threat.
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Which is why, you know, I suggested, and I'm
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certainly not the only one to have made the suggestion that maybe finishing second in
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the group might not be the worst thing. It might mean more travel, but it
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might mean, but it would mean that unless there's a slip up in group B,
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knock or B in group C, that, you know,
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you avoid Japan until the final,
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assuming you win all the way through.
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So, look, I'm sure Joe Montemiro will just want to win.
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You know, it's not certain. He doesn't strike me as the sort of coach that's
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going to play games and, you know, try to manipulate because once you start,
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you know, once you start trying to manipulate things and you're playing with danger,
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you just, you're asking for trouble. You know, if it happens naturally, so be
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it. But you don't try to manipulate, you know,
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you know, things like that outside of,
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outside of Japan. Look, North Korea are very much an unknown
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because no one knows hardly anything about North Korea.
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Like, I know Sam Lewis has written a couple of articles in the last couple
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of years. One for the Guardian in the last few weeks, one for the ABC
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a couple of years ago. They're under 17 and they're under
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20. Squads have been ripping it up there, you know, at the, at the Junior
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Asian Cups here and then the World Cups as well. So, like, their junior stocks
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are absolutely skyrocketing. We just don't know how that's going to translate to
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senior, you know, to the senior side because, yeah,
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they lost 21 to Japan on aggregate
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in, you know, the final stages of the Olympic qualifiers.
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And this is their first major tournament since
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2010. Not 2010, 2011,
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where after five of their players got suspended after,
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you know, positive drug tests and then,
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yeah, they didn't. They were banned from 2015 Women's
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World Cup. Didn't qualify for either the 2018 or Asian couple of 2019
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Women's World cup, and then sort of withdrew from
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global football over Covid. And they've only just started to come back in the last
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couple of years after. After Covid happened. So no one knows what to expect down
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in North Korea. China sort of on the downturn a
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little bit, but, you know, they've got Ante Milicic as
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coach, so, you know, he'll, you know, he's trying to get them back
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on the up. And then South Korea, look,
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you know, the last time they played him at Zelda's, two wins
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here in Australia. It's not that South Korea are a
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bad nation, it's just. I think the gap is starting
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to grow, but, you know, just go just a little bit.
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And so I think it's not that they're not a threat because they're certainly dangerous
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on their day. 2022 Women's
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00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:39,070
Asian cup for anyone who. Who remembers that. Yeah,
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you know, unfortunately. So, yeah, so, yeah, like, you know,
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it's. It's five teams that are realistically,
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you know, in contention to. To win this tournament or, you know, go deep
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into the tournament. That being said, you know,
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upsets happen in tournament football. Yeah, that's so
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true, isn't it? And. And someone like a South Korea or North Korea for
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that matter, just with their. Well, North Korea with their unknown factor in South
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Korea, as you said, turning up on the day and just playing,
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you know, getting that result. The two sides that are quite capable of
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it, China as well, you know, they've always had such a strong
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program, but yeah, as you said, they're on the decline, but,
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you know, a wounded dog, so to speak,
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they could attack. So it'll be interesting to
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see how it all plays out. And with that in mind, polity,
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I'm going to get you to get your crystal ball out. And I'd like to
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ask you what a pass mark is for the Matildas
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in this tournament. My pass mark or football? Australia's pass
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mark. Oh, let. I. I want your pass
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00:36:49,930 --> 00:36:54,110
mark, Clay, please. I think make the semifinals
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and then Have a competitive showing against Japan.
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Should Japan be the opponent that you run into in the
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semifinals? Which, as we've just ran through all the permutations, seems like the
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most likely scenario, so that's my pass mark, is make the semifinals and have a
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competitive showing against Japan. If you win and you go through to the final,
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fantastic. You know, you're going with house money
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from there as far as I'm concerned, because I,
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I'll. We'll get into this in a little bit, in a little
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bit of a moment. But I. Look, I don't think I've hidden where I think
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00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:30,710
this tournament's going. No, no, I think, I think you've.
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00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:34,270
Yeah, I think you've made it clear that it's, you know,
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00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:38,110
Japan's to lose. Maybe we can, if, if we can put it that
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way. Okay, yeah, brilliant. But in my heart, I want
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the Matildas to win the tournament. My head says Japan's going to run away with
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00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,580
this. It's not even going to be close. Yeah, right. Okay. There you go.
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00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,620
Yeah. I mean, there's, there's, you know, it depends who you talk to, doesn't it?
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There's a lot of optimism for the Matildas, obviously, and I guess that that
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might be the Matilda's bias and potentially having the blinkers on.
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But then there's the reality that just how good Japan is and the
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amount of players they got in the wsl, I guess maybe is a small reflection
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of that. And the fact that their junior teams are just so strong and
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it's just a production line that seems to just keep on going
577
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in tune with the fact that the Japanese Federation invest
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00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,880
so much into the youth development as well. So it's
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one of those things. And this is the end result when your national team
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00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:34,680
is just so bloody brilliant to watch, aren't they? That's.
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00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:38,360
I, I guess that's. That's where it is with. With Japan.
582
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Now going back to that crystal ball polity,
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who's your starting side for the game against the
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Philippines? Whatever's going to work legitimately.
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00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:54,120
I don't, I don't know what Joe Montemiro wants to do.
586
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,600
I know what, I don't even know what I would do. Right. Because I think,
587
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I think you've got to play the game here.
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Of like. Do you.
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Do you look at the rest in the first game? Do you maybe look at
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00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:13,970
it for the game against Iran? Do you maybe look at it for a quarterfinal,
591
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depending on the opponent? You know, I think there's so many different permutations
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00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:22,570
at play that I legitimately could not
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00:39:23,070 --> 00:39:26,530
tell you. I know, I know this is a fun thing to do. Everyone makes
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00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:30,790
predictions and stuff like that. But legitimately, my answer
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is just whatever is going to work. And that's going to be, you know,
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00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:37,070
the same answer for every game. Whatever is going to work.
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I wish I could give you something more solid. To be fair,
598
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I probably should be able to, but I just, I think, you know,
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you don't know who's carrying niggles, who's, you know,
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who's sort of lacking fitness, lacking game time. Like Kyra Cooney
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crosses minutes have been limited at Arsenal this season.
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Ideally she's, you know, you're starting, you know, you know,
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one of your starting players, like, ideally it's Cooney cross. Gori is the two
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00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:08,490
eights in midfield and Claire Wheeler is the six.
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00:40:09,210 --> 00:40:11,490
There you say, I'm actually, you know, I'm starting to give you a little bit
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of a lineup now. Like, that's sort of like, you know, what I would do.
607
00:40:16,070 --> 00:40:18,370
But we don't, you know, you don't know what Cooney crosses minutes are like,
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you know, is, is Fowler going to start? Is she not like,
609
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she started for Manchester City last week? Does Joe starter on Sunday?
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I, I don't know. I, I don't know the answers to those questions.
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And so, like, what's the goalkeeping situation? Is, you know,
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was it simply just Macca choosing to do a gym session today or
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was it, you know, is there something else going on? Like, I don't,
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I don't know. There's so many different variables. Does Steph Kelly play center back?
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Does she play left back? You know, what does that do? Is it, you know,
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a back four of Catley on the left, Carpenter on the right? Like, there you
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go. I'll tell you, Carpenter's starting it right back. Yeah, there we go.
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We can agree on that. Curse your striker, Caitlin Forger,
619
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left wing. Yeah, I've given you my midfield three.
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So you let me monologue and you let me talk myself into
621
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giving into answering your question. You're very smart. I like that.
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I just think there's so many variables that, you know,
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that's probably the best I can give you. Yeah,
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00:41:18,210 --> 00:41:21,470
that's fair. And it's, look, we can work with that. We can work with that.
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00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:25,670
So, you know, then it's potentially, if Catley goes center back or left
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back, let's say she goes left back, is it Claire Hunt or Winnie
627
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:35,310
Heatley or Alana Kennedy as your back two
628
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:39,390
as your center back? It could be Any, any combination of those three, couldn't it
629
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:42,760
really? I, I'd. I'd go Hunt and Hateley hunting.
630
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,520
If you're going Steph Kelly at left back, it's Hunt and Hateley Carpenter
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on the right. If you're going Catley at center
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back. Yeah,
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that's when it gets, doesn't it? I'd put Caitlin Torpy.
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00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Yep. Yeah, yeah,
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I put. I'd put Caitlin Torpy.
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00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,730
There you go. And let's say Razzo's going to start
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it right wing. There you go. I've given you my
638
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:17,450
starting outfield. And whoever's in goal is going to be. Whoever's in goals.
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Well, yeah, I mean, it depends on the fitness of Macaronald. So we've,
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00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:24,570
we've covered ourselves there. I think Pauletti. I think we've done a great job there.
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00:42:25,070 --> 00:42:28,770
Let's. Let's be honest, you did the heavy lifting, though. I just, I,
642
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:32,410
I let you get there. Yeah. Let me monologue you.
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Let me just get everything out and into the ether and I somehow made sense
644
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:40,560
of it. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's what it's all about. That's what it's
645
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all about. All right, well. And I think you've covered off who wins the
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00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:48,840
Asian Cup. So that, That's Head is Japan, heart is
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00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:52,320
Matilda's. Right? Yep, yep. That's. Yeah,
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no more. I'd love to be more decisive and optimistic,
649
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I really would. But look,
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00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:04,580
that's. That's completely fair. You're being realistic. We can't
651
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,980
all be living in wonderland. I guess we have to be realistic sometimes,
652
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,580
so. All right, look, I think that's a good note to end it on.
653
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I'll get you to plug Dubcast again once more for me there.
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Palette. Yep. So dropping our Asian cup preview on Friday morning,
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I've actually got to jump straight off this and start editing it. So that'll be
656
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fun. So dropping that, dropping that at some point on Friday morning.
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It'll be. Will be. Then follow that up with,
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you know, with. With a review of the Matilda's
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opening game against the Philippines. And then, as I said, we're hoping to do daily
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content throughout. Throughout the entirety of the Asian Cup.
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I have a spreadsheet, it's all listed out with, you know, everything going
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on. It's just whether we actually get around to doing it or not. So that's
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the plans. We're gonna, we're gonna have some fun content dropping throughout the tournament as
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well. Some point before the opening game. I've Got a.
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I've got a short that's going to go up on the YouTube channel and,
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you know, across the. Across the social pages with a bunch of fun facts about
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the Asian cup. And I hope that, you know, add a couple of those throughout
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the tournament. In fact, I'll give you a little bit of teaser so you.
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So, you know, sort of what to. What to expect from this.
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There are 23 teams that have competed, you know, in the history of the Women's
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Asian Cup. Bangladesh will be the 23rd nation making their
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debut at this tournament. There are two nations, Kazakhstan and New
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Zealand will be unable to add to their tally by virtue of being part of
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UEFA and the ofc, respectively. So, you know, those are the sorts of
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fun facts you can expect, you know, so. So keep
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an eye on that throughout the tournament as well. Hoping to have a couple of
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those. And then once the Asian cup is over, the double cast doesn't stop because
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we'll be back to our regularly scheduled A league Women's weekly reviews and discussions
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about everything that's going on impacting Australian women's football. So,
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you know, we're here for the rest of the season and then episodes will
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be. Be a little bit more infrequent throughout the off season, but we're going to
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have plenty of content. So if, if you can drop us a subscribe on
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YouTube or follow us on whatever podcasting platform you're on, if you enjoy our content,
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that'd be greatly appreciated because, you know, once you hit
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certain milestones, you know, that leads to monetization of content, which means we can invest
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in. Into growing content more, particularly during the off season when there's not as
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much of it to go around. Yeah, exactly. And keep Paletti
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and Burke doing the wonderful work that they're doing. Because it's great to have a
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podcast dedicated solely to women's football here in Australia.
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It needs as much coverage as it can possibly.
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So make sure you get out there and support Burke
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and Palette and the Dubcast crew. All right, well, that is it
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for this special Matilda's Asian cup preview show.
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I hope you've enjoyed it. Make sure you get around us and Dubcast on
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whatever social media or platform,
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podcast platform. I should say that you're listening to this on.
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Thank you very much for your time, Paladi. Really appreciate it.
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All the best. And go the Matildas. Yep, no worries. Thank you so much for
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having me.