Socceroos' World Cup Heartbreak: Penalty Shootout Defeat Analysed with Brisbane Football Review

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Hello and welcome back to the Aussie football passport.

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And it is a bit of a somber one to bring you. There is very

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much a somber mood amongst us and I'm joined as always by Scott and

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Adam from. From the Brisbane Football Review. Scott, how are

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you? I'm all right, Alex. Somber does very much sum it up though.

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It does, doesn't it? It's. Yeah. Look,

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in Adam's wise words, we actually delayed recording this by 24 hours

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to let the emotion somewhat dissipate from, I think,

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the collective feeling of the three of us. So, Adam, I'm sure that that's probably.

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Has the emotion waned a little bit for you?

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Yeah, look, to be honest, actually, to be honest, it probably for me

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personally, it progress the other way actually. I, I tend to whip a bit before

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I get a little bit angry about. About. About things when I

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think about. But no, no, look, in all seriousness, I think again,

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there's a lot to take away, both good and bad and ugly about this.

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I think it's always good to. Just like I said it would be, it was

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a very emotional time. The hours following following.

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Yeah, the, the, the loss. But look, I don't think it's always a bad thing.

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I think as Australian football fans, I think that the fact that, you know,

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we are taking it not very well, it's probably bodes well about

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what. Where our feelings are towards the national team. Yeah, you're probably right

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there, Adam. And I guess before we dive further into that, I'll get you

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Brilliant. Thank you, Adam. And of course we are talking about

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the cruelest of losses in soccero's history. For once, a penalty

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shootout goes against us, we lose to Egypt 4,

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2 on penalties after one all in the 90 minutes and

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extra time. It's a very cruel way to go out.

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But one of the biggest shocks I thought was the fact that Tony Popovich actually

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named an unchanged lineup. Don't you reckon, Scott? I mean, he hasn't

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done that all tournament. Well, he hasn't done it his entire tenure has. He's always

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been bringing in players. He's played 70 odd players up until this

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point. So to actually go with an unchanged 11 was certainly an interesting one.

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Not the 11 that I would have Thought he would have gone with. I thought

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he would have gone back to maybe an ocon in midfield on a toure up

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front. But he went for the same starting life. I was a bit surprised by

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that actually. Yeah, yeah. I think it caught us all off guard because,

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you know, Tony Popovich is certainly. I was

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going to say turned into. But that's not true. He is the ultimate Tinkerman,

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I think forget Claudio Ranieri, it's Tony Popovich that's taken that

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title. Now I wanted to firstly make a

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point that the. The goal that we scored. Well,

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even before that Egypt scored off a

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set piece and you know, I find it very fascinating

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that then we finally get a good delivery on a set piece even though it

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was an own goal and you know, two goals from set pieces.

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Very, very interesting for a coach that has

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been talked about ad nauseam for, you know,

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having the highest level of attention to detail. Set pieces,

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I think is something we have not taken any

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advantage of and in fact we defend them really sloppily.

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I don't know if you agree with my thoughts on that, Adam. Yeah, look,

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it is. It is a bit of a surprise. I think more so the point

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that the lack of use or lack of success often as

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you said, finally got one to stick and yes, there was

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an iron goal but look, it's. It would have if. If it didn't come off,

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how many had. It would have been off Harry Sutas. So it's

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their own there. But yeah, I think with the. The sizable height advantage

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like given the fact that I think the first day giveaway that at least against

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Egypt that basically that 10 of

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the starting 11 players were taller than the tallest Egyptian

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player. This is that, you know that the. The air battle

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is. Set pieces should have been all soccer. They didn't utilize

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enough. And yeah, to me it just. It just seems like the

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delivery just wasn't there. I'm not sure if that was something that it just never

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came off. I know there's a number of proponents of the dead

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ball in the socceros team, but it is one area that

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was very, very surprising given the relative. Especially the three. The three

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set of backs in Sutard, Chicati and Harrington.

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I think most in. Most. Most coaches around the world would love

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to have a back three that. Of that. Of that height and also

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relative skill as well. I would have done more with that. Can you

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imagine how lustfully Mikel

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Arteta would have looked at that back three with his set pieces?

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Seriously. But yes, and to mention the

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fact that Set pieces are back in vogue, of course, because of the Premier League

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and we've seen all the wrestling and such even in

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this World Cup. So yeah, it's wrinkles

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with me, it's strange. But anyway, we won't get too bogged

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down in that. What we will discuss is I thought Hassan come on

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for Egypt and caused us a lot of problems.

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His dribbling ability and the fact that he was willing

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to take people one on one really did some damage and

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you could see that sort of later on in the game as Egypt really

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worked their way into it. But unfortunately we have

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to talk about Jordan Boss with that injury at halftime

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there whispers that he might have done his acl.

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That would be really unfortunate, wouldn't it Scott, considering that he'd put himself right

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in the shop window with the performances, particularly against Paraguay

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at that unfamiliar right wing back role. So just quickly on High summer they get

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dovetails and something else to talk about later on, I thought so we'll come back

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to that point. But on Jordan Bosch, you're right, it's a he

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was one of Australia's absolute standout players and it sounded like he

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was very much gaining the attention of a number of big clubs in England and

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elsewhere as well. So a big move could have been on the offing. And look,

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hopefully it's not the dreaded acl, but when players limp off and then they go

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and they come back on the sideline with crutches, it's never, never a good

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sign. So it's certainly an injury of some significance for him. And look,

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I, I the challenge, the guy got the ball, you have to say that's

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the first thing he did get the ball and then he went straight through the,

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the plant leg of Jordan Boss and unfortunately that's where the contact has come from.

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What I find really frustrating about it is I know the referee gave

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advantage in Australia, did get some advantage going into that, going after

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that through to the halftime break, but there was no booking for that. Didn't go

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back and give him a yellow card for that. And I think actually I don't

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want to go in on the referee because it's, it's sour grape stuff to just

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blame the referee. But I think in that moment a yellow card and even one

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of the earlier challenges was on your and Kunder a yellow card. Just to say

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we're not going to allow these type of chances to creep into the game would

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have been a good way to go about it. But look, hopefully Jordan Bost's okay

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because he makes A big difference to this side and you can actually see in

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that second up when Kai Truman went out there he tried to get forward and

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tried to do what he can but he's just not the attacking threat. Jordy Bosty.

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So when he wasn't there it was a big miss for us. Yeah, it was,

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you know. Right. Arguably our most important attacking outlet

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and you could see that our attack dropped off. I mean

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there wasn't much attack there to begin with, let's be honest. But that's

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a discussion point for a whole lot later. But yeah, Jordan, the loss

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of Jordan boss really took away our

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key out ball and ability to take on those Egyptian

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defenders one on one. Speaking of Egypt,

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Mo Salah, he played on one leg until the 89th minute and he

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somehow turned up and started peppering Matt, I was

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about to say Matt Ryan but Patrick beach with with shots there. So that

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was quite interesting. And he stepped up later for a penalty. But let's

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talk the substitutions perhaps. And I know Scott, you want to discuss

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the substitute in the 70th minute. Yes.

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I think that's where this game completely started to really change, isn't it? You look

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at the first 17 minutes they basically played to a dead heat. Australia and

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Egypt they got a golf messet piece that we weren't happy to concede. They got.

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We got one recept piece they weren't happy to concede. We had chances, they had

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chances. It was very even game and I can't fathom the

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change that Tony Poppovich made on the 70s minute. I just don't understand the

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logic behind it. There were two players in our side who were clearly troubling the

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Egyptian side and having them worried it was Christian Volpato on the right hand side

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cutting in onto his left foot. That was something they were really worried about clearly.

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And anytime the ball got within 5 yards of iron corner they just absolutely kick

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him. So clearly they were the two players they were worried about and he took

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both off at the same time in a game which was in the balance.

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It comes down comes back to what a lot of people have picked up on

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in the last 24 hours post game was the, the risk

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averse nature of things. We're going to play not to lose, we're not going to

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go and try and win the game. We're going to play not to lose the

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game. And that's where I think this game completely flipped on its head. We brought

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on Motor who we all wanted to see, but we wanted to see that trio

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of Volpato Iran, Ka&t. And we said, you probably can't

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start it, but I don't think anyone said you can't finish with that or at

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least give it a period of time out there. So that was really disappointing.

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I would have liked to have seen either take off Metcalf, who had a good

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game in his own right, but take him off and try that front three.

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I'll be really bold and put Metcalfe in a more midfield role and say,

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let's go for it. We've got ascendancy here. After we equalize. We had the

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chance to really go for it. We never took that opportunity. And that's a.

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That's the real what if of this game for me is if we had have

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gone for it, what would have happened? It's not a guarantee we would have won

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the game, but it's a chance. We never talk. And you mentioned the sub for

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Egypt, Hassan coming on down the right hand side tres again later on. That was

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clearly the trigger for Mo Sal to stop limping around on one leg to start

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playing some real football. And after that, we really only have one or two

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chances in the opposite end of the field. It was basically Egypt camped in our

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half pushing us back. Us playing the underdog, looking to get to penalties, which we

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got to. But I just wonder if we'd gone for it in that moment and

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said, let's just try it, what would have happened? And that's what I

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keep coming back to in the last 24 hours of. I wanted to see us

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go for it. I think everyone wanted to see us go for it. And he

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did. He just unfortunately went the other way. Yeah, I. Look,

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I can't just. I completely agree with you, in fact, Scott, with what

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you just said and you know, Tony Popovich played Nestery

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Iron Kunda as an out and out number nine, and he's not that. And we

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saw that. We saw plenty of evidence of that in all,

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what, three games since the Turkey game that

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he was played in that role. I don't know how much more evidence Tony

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Popovich needed to see to move him to the left to his best.

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Look at the first game, even to the right. Yeah, it worked in the first

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game. Exactly. He scored a goal off it. Like,

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I'm still astounded by that. And he picked Teti Yangi and

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Mo Ture as. Yeah, number nine. So why do we keep

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going back to Nestry? It really. It still frustrates

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me if you can't tell by the sound of my voice with that one but

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there was also another very interesting or contributor.

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Well, interesting substitution. Let's. Let's not call it controversial

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but I know this is one you want to talk about, Adam. The goalkeeper

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substitution. When it comes off you look like a genius.

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When it doesn't, you look like a bit of a fool. And that's exactly probably

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what Tony Popovich kind of looks like with this one. Don't you think,

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Adam? Yeah, look, this is one that's I think got me

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and probably the entire football nation here in Australia at least

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questioning. Look, it worked once ago once

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for soccer is a four in that intercontinental playoff in.

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In 22. We've seen. We've seen other coaches

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around the world use. Use this word. You know, taking. Taking the

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starting goalkeeper off, going with this quote specialist palties take goalkeeper.

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This one is just it absolutely all the evidence batt

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to why. Why did he go with

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Matt Ryan? Like, you know, for one thing Patrick beach was

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having an excellent game. He basically saved the game

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for the soccer to even get to that point after he. He watered but

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Rabies Ry. Rabies had a. Had a right

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in stop time, you know, so you could say that.

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That the lad was. It was. Was writing confidence on that

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furthermore. Yeah I'd even think well if

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that's what you want to do. Given that it was and to take a little

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bit of a history lesson from. In Qatar in 2022 in

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the playoff, it was Matt Ryan who came off to

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make way for Andrew Redmayne. What possible evidence to say that oh

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that Matt Ryan would have been the one, you know, to be the goalkeeper do

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that. If anything you were to go with Paul Isa who has history as far

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as saving penalties, you know, is in those situations.

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I just don't understand it. I. I like I said that I think this

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is. And I think again this is. I may be sort of jumping sort of

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backwards and forwards to overall thoughts all that but I just think that that they.

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They And I'll say in the day that Tony Popovich may have.

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May have gotten advice from his coaching staff. His. His.

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His absolute army of coaching stuff. They've over complicated.

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Like I. I don't understand. Like it's simple games.

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It's simple games sometimes and to over complicate by trying

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to strategize and all that. I just think this is like I said, I get

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it. He gambled, he went all in, but he lost.

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And I just want. I just wanted what him or someone to acknowledge

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that they got it completely wrong. That's. That's like because

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for Me, once it goes to penalties, you don't, you don't assign blame,

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you don't say it's a 50 50. Everyone in world football's got half a brain

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knows that. But you can control things and

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that and that substitution, the 118th minute did probably change the course

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of destiny as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, he played for the penalty share.

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Alex, he took off as we said those two players earlier I mentioned also took

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off and aid no Neil as well. A player who you would think would have

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the technical skill to step up and take a penalty. But on the goalkeeper thing,

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I wonder if it was the case. Remember the A League six weeks ago Auckland

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and Melbourne City played in the first week of the finals and Patrick beach was

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in goal in that game and Auckland won 76 in a penalty shootout

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and he didn't make a single save. So I wonder if that was on Tony

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Pop, which is mine very recently saying look he's just been involved in a penalty

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shootout, he didn't make any saves. Maybe it's not for him in that moment.

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But I agree with Adam. Matt Ryan has never been a penalty saving goalkeeper.

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You think back to the a league in 2011 he couldn't stop any of the

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rules penalties in that game four years ago Adam mentioned it.

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Graham Mar said no, no, no he's not. Oh, John Crawley actually said we give

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Grand Mar the credit. It was actually John Crawley said no, no, no, Andrew Redmayne

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is the penalty saver, that's the guy we need in there. And Grand Mar made

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the save, made the change and he looks like the genius but Tony profits

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went to Matt Ryan and Alex we know that Egypt were watching on the

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division before the penalty shootout. They were watching a penalties

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that Mbappe took at the Bernabeu this year where Matt

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Ryan jumped early and that's what they were watching.

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That is what they were watching and if you watch every single penalty, we'll get

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to it in a moment. All four, Matt Ryan jumped early, he read one

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right and didn't get there but he went early on all four. So clearly their

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plan was get him jumping early and put it to the open side and three

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out of four they were able to do it. So again I think to Adam's

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point he over engineered the penalty shootout and when you're clearly thinking about for 60

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minutes in the game at least that's the way it feels to me you're going

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to overthink things. Sometimes keeping it simple is the best way and I know Patrick

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beach had that game In Yaleg where he didn't make a save. But he was

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unbelievable in this game, in this tournament. Some of his reflex saves even in this

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game to get Australia to the shootout were absolutely unbelievable. And maybe he

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was having one of those games where he was about to make a big save

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in a shootout and really show that he can do that. So hindsight's 20 20,

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but I think he over engineered that shootout to Adam's point. So just

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one small point I'll make about Patrick beach. And look, Scott and I

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discussed this off air when we did yesterday but again

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I think if you ask Patrick beach himself that he, if he was that whether

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he is the same player, his same goalkeeper as he was six

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weeks ago when he played against Auckland to now, I think it'd be a big,

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in fact he's a better player and I think he would have learned a lot

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of lessons from that. And so to, to sort of take it out of his

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hands like that. I just, yeah, it's, I know maybe he's trying to

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protect him. I actually think he might have. You know, I, look, I get the

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sense Patrick beach, he's, he's a good, he's a good lad. He will, he will

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come alike another young, young gentleman that

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we'll talk about very, very shortly in regards to. I think that he will

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be fine but I just think sometimes trying to protect these young guys

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may also be not helping him but actually hurting them.

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Yeah, that's a good point as well, I think something

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you know, I personally probably didn't even consider. So Adam,

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I really, I really like that point. Just a couple of quick ones before we,

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we discussed the penalties a little bit further. I do wonder

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whether Tony Popovich's bold calls before the turkey game

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really gave him the, I guess the

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confidence to keep backing himself with the Tinkerman sort of series

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of lineups that we've seen since and substitutions

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like this. That's just sort of a thought bubble I've

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had while listening to both your points, Scott and Adam there. So. And in terms

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of that sort of over engineering, I don't think we ever saw our best 11

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on the, on the field probably for a prolonged

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amount of time either. Which is really weird and quite

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concerning considering you're the coach. I know you've got to make calls

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and you know, obsessed over detail, but I

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think the fact that you don't put the strongest 11 on the field at any

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one time is absolutely mind boggling. The other

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thing I just want to raise too and I know it's not all

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this is, you know, probably maybe a little bit too far,

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but for someone that's so details orientated again

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and the fact that I know that Matt Ryan obviously

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has experience but he's the shortest of your three goalkeepers.

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For penalties you want the tallest, most nimble goalkeeper

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that you've got and that's probably Paul Izzo.

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He's got the, well, he's, I'm not 100% sure on the heights,

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so I've probably gone a bit early there. But I, I think Izzo at least

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has the nice blend of experience and you

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know, a longer reach than Matt Ryan. So I mean that's, that's really

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for me. Yeah. Going to your point, Adam, that he really should have went with

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Izzo but I guess we should just break in there.

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My first, my first choice actually he doesn't, didn't do the change at all.

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Go with Patrick beach. But if he was thinking about the change then that's right,

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they should go. Paul is. But look, I want to preface that by saying,

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look, that's no shot at Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan has been an exceptional

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servant, I'd say. I think this is, this is probably it for Matt Ryan.

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He may get a couple of games to say goodbye maybe in the Brazil series

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or, or something like that, depending on what, on what happens.

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But yeah, again it's probably not the way you want to

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see the end of Matt Ryan was to so go down in flames like he

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did. I think that's, yeah, that, that really does stick in

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my crawl a little bit. But yeah, to say no, I don't, I don't want

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people to misinterpret go. I'm not having a go at Matt Ryan himself. He's put

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in a bad, in a bad spot. He has been an incredible servant to the

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Socceroos, obviously a long term captain. It's just there,

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the circumstances, you know,

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we remembered, you know, sort of dark day in Dallas. So not dark

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days in Dallas. It's the missed opportunity in Arlington. That's what this will forever be,

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Alex. I mean in terms of this was the first time we've had a real

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50, 50 shot to get a win in the knockout rounds. And until the day

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arrives in 4, 8, 10, whatever amount of years it takes to get,

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get there, this will always be the missed opportunity where we had a real

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chance to go for it against a team who we were every bit as good

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as to try and beat. And this will always be that missed opportunity. I think

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that's why it's so heartbreaking for all of us and why we're so frustrated and

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annoyed and why there's been such discourse around the way we want to play going

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forward which we'll get to later. But I think all that comes from the fact

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this was a real missed opportunity. Everything's bigger in Texas now for Australia,

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including the disappointment. Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say

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just to back Scott's point as well. So 2006 we lost to Italy, we ended

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up being world champions in 2022 we lost to Argentina in

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yeah. Who end up being world champions. Unless there is a massive shock

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coming in the next, in the next 15 days or so, I don't

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think Egypt are winning the World Cup. So as with all due, with all due

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respect to Mo Salah and that team, they win the World Cup. So I,

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to back up Scott's point, yeah this is a missed opportunity because it was a,

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it was a winnable game. Not saying that we should have beat them but it

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was a winnable game on ability and also by world rankings.

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And it was also I think the fact that

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Mo Salah was carrying an injury and he clearly, I mean you know,

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let's be honest, if you're a Liverpool fan, he was always going to play though

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Alex. He was, yeah, yeah of course he was going to play but they

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were there for the taking. That like the fact that we sat back in the

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way that we played as we sort of discussed there why

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yeah Egypt were there for the taking and we should have went for it.

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But anyway just on that point as well so I don't mean to get,

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I just want, also want to pay, pay a bit of respect as well to

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region. I think we have, we have focused a lot on you know,

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socceroos and that's fair enough. We, we are, we are, we are soccer

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supporters but look to you know, to most Sal's credit and look because

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the copy plays for. I'm not his biggest fan but what he

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did was actually yeah, I thought it was quite extraordinary. I thought

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that, you know, the fact that he was allowed to be able to sit around

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in the pocket for 85 minutes do nothing and change the game. I, I actually

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thought, you know, in the 70 minute mark the only possible justification

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I could give him taking Volpar, taking Uran Kridner off is that basically fresh

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legged and will would overrun Egypt. The problem was

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was that when you have a play like Mo Salah that he basically invited him

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into the game. The only thing bigger than, you know, fitness over team

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Fitness is where momentum swings and when he started playing that

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absolutely stymied soccer's momentum and pretty much handed the

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impetus to Egypt. I thought that's where world class players do

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that. They stepped up despite the injury and again nearly

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one off the game of his boot and rap Beer's head just before

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full time. Yeah, that's very true too. And again that's,

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you know, that's where I

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think the selections and the style of football was wrong. But we

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could talk about that forever. But we should probably discuss the penalties and

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whilst you talk, whilst we're talking about penalties, Adam, I know that

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you sort of had a bit of a, a list there that you want to

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discuss around the, the penalty takers. I do and it's sort of more related.

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I was a bit sketchy about it when we were talking about this. I want

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to. Because I think for you guys, I think this will be very, very obvious

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very, very quickly where I'm going with this. But serve towards, you know,

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Harry Sutar and Lucas Harin who missed their penalties.

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Here's, here's a list of players. It's 12 players. Just want you

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to listen in this about these 12 players. Takumi Minamino,

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Haru Mitoma, Maya Yoshida,

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Pablo Sabia, Carlos Soler,

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Sergio Busquets, Rodrigo Marinos,

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Virgil Van Dyke, Stephen Burghhus and probably

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most importantly Kingsley Coleman and Erlin Tichameni.

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12 players. Those 12 players are players

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that, that missed penalties during the

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knockouts in the 2022 World Cup. You look at that list and you

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tell me that that now Lucas Harrington especially

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and Harry Sutard, they're not going to be okay because even though those they missed

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penalties, did their careers really suffer in the last three and a half years?

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I don't think so. I think again, I think you got nothing to fear.

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We don't have nothing to worry. Especially Lucas Harrington. The support that he got,

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you know, publicly from particularly Zlata Ibrahimovic which

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I think was a wonderful, wonderful sort of, you know,

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statement mate. Again, I think it takes the most idiotic.

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No, I wouldn't call supporter to even think about blaming Harry

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Souter or Lucas Harrington for missing their penalties. I think that's.

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But again to sort of really go there from

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the point those 12 players all missed penalties and knockout games and losing out that

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try three and a half years ago in Qatar. There's some

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of the best players in the world right there in that list.

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Yeah, and that probably explains to your point that we were discussing off air why

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Virgil Van Dijk didn't take one for the Netherlands. Missed previously.

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And I thought, I thought that that

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was. As a captain, I thought it was a gutless cowardice

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act not to step up and take. When you're, when you're wearing the armband,

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you should be taking that penalty. You should be in the top five,

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irrespective of whether he was haunted by it or not. You know, I. Again,

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another player I'm not a huge fan of because of the, of the shirt he

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wears, but still, you know, he should have been there, so.

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Yeah, but that might. That does probably go a long way. Why he avoided it,

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which you can't. You can't keep running from it. No, you can't.

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And you know, again, it's a good way to redeem yourself, isn't it? And to

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get rid of those ghosts from your memory. Really. I think that's.

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That's the one way to do it, if you ask me. But I guess also,

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Scott, I know that you wanted to discuss who you would have

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liked to have seen take the penalties against Egypt.

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Yeah. Firstly, Adam's absolutely correct. There's no blame attached to the two guys who

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missed. They stepped up when they were asked, when they gave it their best shot.

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And unfortunately, look, everybody misses penalties. Mark Viduka missed in the shootout in 2005,

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for example, as the captain. So look, that can happen. And he was the number

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nine, by the way. So people are focusing on the fact it's two defenders and

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show Carti was going to be fifth. Look, defenders score penalties too. There's nothing about

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the position. But again we talk about Tony Popovich over engineering his shootout.

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He played four penalties. It seemed like he took off. Volpato,

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Erin, Kunda, Metcalfe and o'. Neill. I think we would all been pretty confident in

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those four guys stepping up by some combination of those players.

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The other ones, which I just don't understand, the experienced players who were on

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the field, there weren't that many. I know Jack Nervine. He did step up and

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he did score. So did Alwa Mobile, but as is Bach.

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Why did he not take a penalty? He again I mentioned that, that Auckland

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Melbourne City shootout six weeks ago. He took one for Melbourne City on his left

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foot and he scored. Why not go and replicate it?

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00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:26,110
Step up and say, hey, get Lucas, you're a great young player, you've had a

440
00:28:26,610 --> 00:28:29,710
really good World cup, you've got a great career ahead. But we're going to swap.

441
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:32,990
I'll go in fourth and you can go wherever. I was going to

442
00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:36,070
Go. And then we're going to go with that. Just take the pressure off and

443
00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:38,750
say I'm going to step up here as a senior player. I would have liked

444
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:41,790
to have seen him in that top five. Taking him as well because you want

445
00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:45,430
your senior experienced players to step up. It's not that young players can't

446
00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:49,840
have the composure to take a penalty, but when he stepped up, it was the

447
00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:54,000
first time watching him in the national. Oh, this moment might be a little bit

448
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,680
too bright for him. It's a big ask for an 18 year old kid to

449
00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:02,480
step up and he look, he would look composed up there. Taking his reaction

450
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:06,040
post game when he was interviewed was fantastic. What he said, you can see he's

451
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:10,000
got a huge maturity as a young player but I just would have sent him

452
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,490
up there in that moment. Yeah. And Tierra got on reading the box coverage actually

453
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:17,410
did say that. I don't blame the young man. I blame the people who sent

454
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:21,770
him up there. Yeah. Quote unquote. And you're absolutely right. Yeah. And we,

455
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:25,890
you know, we were just talking about protecting Patrick beach potentially

456
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:29,570
from a, from the penalty shootout. So why wasn't the same courtesy

457
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:33,450
given to Lucas? And, and I know that Lucas said that all week at training

458
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:38,330
he was hitting him perfectly and scoring and that's obviously why he was

459
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:42,530
trusted with that penalty. But I think you, you know, again we, I keep bringing

460
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:46,140
it up but Popper's a stickler for details. It's an 18 year old kid,

461
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,100
mate, that you've sent up to the slaughter, mate, basically. Well, slaughter is a bit

462
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,660
harsh but you've sent him up there putting a lot on.

463
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,580
You're asking a lot of him in that moment. Yeah. For, for an 18 and

464
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,740
I know that he's able to handle himself and all that kind of stuff but

465
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,500
yeah, I just, it just, it's. Yeah. One of many,

466
00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:07,740
many decisions that have left us flabbergasted

467
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,710
I think times this World Cup. So anyway,

468
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:16,110
so the question as well, like you look at Egypt's side because Egypt actually had

469
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:20,230
a player on the pitch younger than Lucas Harrington in. Yeah. Yes.

470
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:23,030
Yeah. Yep.

471
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:26,990
I was here. I don't think he was in he. Unless he was getting fit.

472
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:31,430
He wasn't in the first four. No. So that's what they, that they. So they

473
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:35,710
were. And he was, he, he was, he was. He's a striker and

474
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:38,110
yet they didn't think that he was going to be. I doubt he would have

475
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:41,890
been in fifth because that usually is reserved for a strike as well.

476
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:45,210
So they went in Go. They were waiting to consider him in the, in the

477
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:48,730
first five. So again, you know, not over

478
00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:52,250
exposing your, your youngsters. I just think, again,

479
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:55,730
we come back to this point. I think Tony Poppich just

480
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:59,450
overthought this and he got it very, very wrong.

481
00:30:59,930 --> 00:31:03,370
Yeah. And you know, the other side of the coin, if, if we

482
00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:07,220
won the penalty shootout, we'd all be praising him, I guess, saying that. We'd still

483
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,180
be saying that they bold decisions but they paid off ultimately. I think that's probably

484
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:15,940
the context we should have put, put around this. And we should also mention

485
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,820
that, I guess this is, I think, the youngest socceroo squad that's

486
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,140
gone to a World cup. So it's a bright future here. We've got to

487
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,060
keep that in the back of our minds when we're discussing this. And the other

488
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,980
thing too, for all the, I guess, discourse about

489
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,480
Popovic and his style of play, look, it works because he got us direct qualification

490
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:41,440
to this World cup for the first time since 2010. So we need to,

491
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:44,800
to frame that around it. But I, I think we also need to look to

492
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:49,640
the future and really ask, as Mark Milligan did in, in the postmatch

493
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,080
analysis or, or wash up if you like, what is Australia's

494
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:57,800
footballing identity? What is it? Are we a counter attacking team? Are we,

495
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,800
are we a park the bus kind of team? Or are we going to go

496
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,950
out and we're going to, you know, play some passes and go at teams?

497
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:09,390
So that's the question that Football Australia really needs to answer and

498
00:32:09,890 --> 00:32:12,910
it's. I know they've got a thousand and one other things that they need to

499
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:17,150
talk about, but that, that's one thing I think for the future that,

500
00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:21,070
that really needs to be talked about and a decision made asap.

501
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:24,310
Really. Scott, I know you want to talk about something there.

502
00:32:24,550 --> 00:32:27,790
Well, again, it's the same discussion. We had this in 2010 after what

503
00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:31,700
happened there when. What happened in 2010 same happened in

504
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,300
2018 where we brought a foreign coach in and he did not allow them to

505
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,980
express themselves and we basically spent three games, did absolutely nothing.

506
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,500
And even four years ago we all gave Graham out of a massive hand of

507
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,660
applause. This is absolutely sensational. You've. Sensational. You have taken a

508
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,540
group of players who were scrapped their way through to get to the, to the

509
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,980
World cup and then got them to the round of 16 by any means necessary.

510
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,930
But now we need to evolve our football and the same discussions happening again now.

511
00:32:58,430 --> 00:33:02,170
So at some point this actually has to happen. We've got to Stop this underdog

512
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:06,290
mentality, this happy to be there, glad we qualified, try and get out

513
00:33:06,790 --> 00:33:10,330
the group, play on the back foot. Everyone's better than us because we're not a

514
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:13,850
football nation. We've got to get rid of all that. We've been to every World

515
00:33:14,350 --> 00:33:17,330
cup since 2006. If you actually look at the number of countries who have done

516
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:21,130
that, it's a very short list which does not include the current host in the

517
00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:25,370
US or the Netherlands or Italy, who are a four time world champion. So it's

518
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:29,090
a very select group who've qualified for every World cup since 2006.

519
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:33,530
So we need to stop this whole charade of we're underdogs,

520
00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:37,010
we play on the back foot, we try and make things happen and get lucky.

521
00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:40,930
No, we can do more than that. And the thing that's maybe really the only

522
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:44,770
thing that's going to be happy in the last 24 hours is that across the

523
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:48,490
board the entire football community have basically said, no, no, just getting there is

524
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:51,640
not enough anymore. Just trying to get out of the group is not enough anymore.

525
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:55,800
Not in this expanded World Cup. We need to demand better. And I'm

526
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:59,360
very intrigued to see how football trade do react. I did see today they had

527
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,400
some press conference in Dallas where they said they were happy with Tony Popovich,

528
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,080
but they did acknowledge the fact that we need to identify the Australian way of

529
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:10,400
playing that that work is unknown. Well, it's time to expedite that work,

530
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,600
get that done so that once this next cycle begins after the

531
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,990
Asian cup because it's clear that they view the cycle beginning after the Asian cup

532
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:22,870
and not, not after the World cup. We need, that work needs to begin

533
00:34:23,370 --> 00:34:26,430
then. And whether it's Tony Popovich or somebody else, it starts then.

534
00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:29,470
So the only thing that's made me happy is that that discussion is now in

535
00:34:29,970 --> 00:34:32,830
the forefront. Hopefully we can really force it through this time because it needs to

536
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:36,750
happen. There's, there's the fault, it lies itself. If that is, if that is actually

537
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:41,110
the case. And the fact is that the cycle should not start after

538
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:44,779
the Asian Cup. The Asian cup should not be an afterthought. Your,

539
00:34:45,099 --> 00:34:48,299
the Asian Cup. And if you look at, if you look about the,

540
00:34:48,799 --> 00:34:52,179
who are the, the true powers in Asia and like, so I won't talk about

541
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,619
that, you know, down, down in this, in this,

542
00:34:57,099 --> 00:35:00,499
this episode soon. But you could tell

543
00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:04,459
that Japan, they will retool, they will rebuild with

544
00:35:04,959 --> 00:35:09,499
a view of starting now ahead of Asia cup, then into the qualifiers,

545
00:35:09,999 --> 00:35:13,260
into the World Cup. That's every Fight and received too many times.

546
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,140
Saw it in 2006 where it was an afterthought and it was an absolute

547
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,140
disaster in a very, very winnable situation with a very,

548
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,900
very, probably our best, our best squad of all time.

549
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:28,259
And they looked absolutely useless in, in,

550
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:31,580
in 2007 at the Asian Cup. They said this is

551
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,660
a great opportunity, especially with the moment. Japan,

552
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:38,740
they'll be rebuilding. Korea, an absolute basket case at the moment.

553
00:35:39,610 --> 00:35:43,130
I don't know what the West Asia at the moment seems to be an absolute,

554
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:46,010
you know, fast at the moment. Why can't we go and win an Asian Cup?

555
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,890
But if the attitude is, oh, we're going to rebuild after Asia,

556
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:53,290
after the Asian cup, well, what, what a, what a missed opportunity is,

557
00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:57,290
you know, missing out on being continental champions. Like you saw the joy

558
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:58,810
we had in 2015.

559
00:35:59,930 --> 00:36:03,210
Surely, surely that, yeah, we can go

560
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:07,660
out and try and win this, this, this Asian Cup. It's Saudi

561
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,740
Arabia in next January. I know that contracts don't really

562
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,060
mean a lot these days, but Football Australia did give Tony Popovich until

563
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,660
the end of the Asian cup just before the World Cup. So there

564
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,540
is that slight problem. And we know money's pretty tight at Football Australia,

565
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:28,860
so I guess that's, that's one little bit of an issue. But yeah,

566
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,300
I mean, did he also. Did, did the

567
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,020
qualification for the round of 32 give him that time to.

568
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,020
Perhaps in Football Australia's eyes, yes. But for us as

569
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,740
football fans, I think, yeah, I think the change probably

570
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,540
needs to happen now with a lot of those countries, I don't think,

571
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,740
you know, just show it in the Asian Cup. Alex, if he's got the job

572
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,340
now, he's got to show that he can make that change. And he hasn't been

573
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,490
that coach his entire career. He's always played that counter attacking,

574
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:03,170
not to lose style of play. He's got to adapt and evolve.

575
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:06,930
Otherwise, unfortunately, he might not be the man that we need right now. Yeah,

576
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:10,290
I, I don't have faith in,

577
00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:14,530
I don't have faith that he's the right man going forward. I,

578
00:37:15,970 --> 00:37:19,050
from, from what we've seen at this World Cup. No, for me,

579
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:23,410
he's completely overthought things. And yeah, I think the decision

580
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:27,090
should be made now rather than waiting until the Asian cup is,

581
00:37:27,590 --> 00:37:30,690
I think, you know, said Adam, really that's, that's for

582
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:34,810
me. Well, it really does, it really does put sharp focus

583
00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:38,210
all of a sudden on this, this series against

584
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:42,010
Brazil in, in September. Because I think now,

585
00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:46,130
again, this, again, this is, this is the mentality of Australian

586
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:49,730
Football at the moment they're sort of lording in a way and going oh how,

587
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:54,050
how wonderful. We've got, we've got the five time world champions here in and also

588
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:58,380
as well in Queensland. Wonderful. Yeah yeah. But what does soccero do about it?

589
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,300
Are we just going to roll over and let. Let you know, you know Vinnie

590
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,340
Jr. And and Neymar and the, and the rest of that merry model. But yeah,

591
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,940
come out here for a party and you know and just because they're present

592
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,180
Brazil that they're just, they're going to basically have a cakewalk or

593
00:38:14,260 --> 00:38:17,660
soccer is actually going to really take it to them and you know,

594
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,540
get serious about the preparation. There's also two, it's probably going to

595
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,700
be two other friendlies, probably more than likely New Zealand because

596
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,940
they probably want to do the Soccer Ashes at some point later

597
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,940
this year. But I don't know, but I don't know, maybe they need to rethink

598
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,060
who those other two opponents are. With a view to the Asian

599
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,500
cup we've got literally four games in 2026 and

600
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,140
then whatever warm up games you can scrap together in the window just before

601
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:50,710
the 7th of January again the you'll

602
00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:53,990
get a sense of the attitude of football Australia where they're headed with the Socceroos

603
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:57,790
had the Asia Cup. Based on the mentality going into this Brazil

604
00:38:58,290 --> 00:39:00,870
series, I think all of a sudden it has become a very, very,

605
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:05,230
very, very telltale sign of what needs to happen going forward and

606
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:09,510
we're gonna, we're gonna get some answers very, very quickly about whether, whether football Australia

607
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:13,590
and the coaching setup at the moment for the Socceroos actually

608
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:17,620
it's taking the Asian cup seriously. I don't mean words and

609
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,540
that but actions and that's what got to see. I, I hope that all

610
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,340
Socceroos fans are really get on onto to their t and say you know

611
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,740
what, this is a very, very important series for, for football,

612
00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:32,180
for football strain this soccer. Well said Adam,

613
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,340
very well said. And I guess while we're talking about the Asian Cup, I know

614
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,140
this is another point you wanted to raise. Adam. It's a bit of a World

615
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,590
cup overall discussion but AFC 2

616
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:46,750
teams made it out of 9 to the round of 32.

617
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:51,990
Pretty disappointing it's fair to say. And both Australia and Japan,

618
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:54,910
the two teams that made it knocked out at the round of 32 stage.

619
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:59,630
Is it, is it a genuine concern for the confederation that

620
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:04,230
that's what's happened at this World cup considering the promise that was had

621
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:08,240
four years prior. Scott, did you want to add that

622
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:11,560
before I go on another read, I'll go very quickly. I'll just say that look,

623
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:15,280
Japan, they, they showed that they have taken a step forward in their football.

624
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:19,080
They just ran into Brazil. That's going to happen. That's why it was a missed

625
00:40:19,580 --> 00:40:22,560
opportunity for us because we can play. Everyone looks at our young generations at how

626
00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:25,840
great they could be in four years. Well, they could do exactly what Japan did

627
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:29,960
and then run into Brazil and get it demolished. So that can happen. Look,

628
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:33,990
Korea, they're having a. Clearly going to have a massive rating. They've, they've just completely

629
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:37,190
crumbled in this World Cup. They had two sloppy mistakes and it cost them.

630
00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:41,110
And yeah, I think West Asia has a real problem as well for

631
00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:45,150
the Asian cup from the Australian perspective. And I'll let Adam talk about the confederation

632
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:48,070
as a whole. If we're going to become the team we want to be in

633
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:52,110
four years, these young guys, the Beaches, the Chicatis, the Herringtons,

634
00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:54,950
dear and kundas, etc. We need them to become the leaders of the team and

635
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:58,670
I would like to see them doing that at the Asian Cup. But yeah,

636
00:40:59,170 --> 00:41:01,780
Asia was, look, the first round of the World cup in the group stage,

637
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:06,060
unbeaten after that, basically a complete disaster. And look,

638
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,420
we're not going to lose spots in the, in the World Cup, Alex, because this

639
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,620
expanded World cup was about one thing and one thing only. It was about trying

640
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,660
to reverse engineer a path for China and India to

641
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,020
get into the World cup because obviously they have big populations and that could mean

642
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,220
huge growth for FIFA. So they're not going to take spots away from Asia because

643
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,350
that's what they would like to see happen. So I'm not worried about us losing

644
00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:32,510
spots because of poor performance, but there's no doubt of the major confederations at this

645
00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:36,350
tournament. Asia's at the bottom of the list in terms of results, no doubt about

646
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:41,030
it. Yeah, very disappointing. Very disappointing indeed.

647
00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:45,190
And Adam, I think it's time for your aunt. Yeah, look, I think,

648
00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:49,270
I think it comes out clearly to the fact that Asia

649
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:54,030
specifically unprepared as a confederation and the fact

650
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:58,400
is that we have no Asian Nations League I think is

651
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:02,920
a massive factor and to quite frankly if someone been Ibrahim, Al Khalifa

652
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:07,040
and DTO Windsor, John and the rest of the rest of them at AFC House

653
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:11,519
haven't told their advisors what not. You go and get this comp. This tournament

654
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,240
up and running in a year's time, then they f the confederation as far as

655
00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:19,560
I'm concerned because it's all about rankings. Point, it's all about the way the draws

656
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:23,790
work. The fact, the fact is, is that while the

657
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:27,750
Asian teams they play all across the world playing friendly,

658
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:32,310
chasing friendlies and whatnot, Europe they

659
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:36,750
have a three year qualifying period. So they play basically themselves with the occasional friendly

660
00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:40,830
concacaf, you know, they play, they, they play a Nations League

661
00:42:41,330 --> 00:42:44,750
as well. So they're, they're all building at ranking points where I think that you

662
00:42:45,250 --> 00:42:48,360
know, some nations are probably hyperinflated their actual,

663
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
their actual ranking. Whereas you know, there,

664
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:55,400
whereas as the Asian teams are probably a lot lower. I don't talk about Japan,

665
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,440
Korea, Australia, Iran. I think we're probably where we're at.

666
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:04,080
But even then there's probably an opportunity where say Japan especially probably

667
00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:07,960
should be in the top 20 if they, if there was a nation's

668
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:11,360
league. So that's something that is got to be a must. I know that there

669
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:15,160
is a FIFA endorse Asian cup that's

670
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:19,400
coming up but again it's not going to be, not that doesn't serve Australia any

671
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:22,560
good because that's going to be outside the window. But I also do think that,

672
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,240
that football Australia should be able to cobble together the best,

673
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,880
the best 26 year old a league players which would still do

674
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:32,680
a job up there because if we can't then we've got bigger problems than we

675
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:37,160
worry about. But I think the main priority for the Asian Football Football Confederation

676
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:41,320
at the moment is to get that Champions League up and running champion.

677
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:45,600
So that Nations League I should say up and running and not try and keep

678
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:50,080
everyone segregated but have an open field so you not only have the best teams,

679
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:53,920
you know, picking up wins but also as well the, the next, the next division

680
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,000
like a China, like in India to actually improve their

681
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,800
football and even a couple of minnows, I think that to give them the other

682
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:05,400
games in place so they can start, so they can start producing.

683
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,980
Because again a anomaly like a Cabo Verde

684
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,580
for example doesn't happen by accident. And even

685
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,180
though that yes, yes, they're probably a bunch of, they're a bunch of,

686
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,900
you know, Portuguese, you know, second division players. Again that doesn't happen by accident.

687
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,580
And that's because yeah that they play Conquer. They play AFCON every

688
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,460
two years. So that team can build together, they can build together.

689
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:32,940
Let's to get knocked over to qualifying. Is that the joint Asian Cup?

690
00:44:33,330 --> 00:44:36,770
So qualifying, whatnot. There is no set tournament where

691
00:44:36,930 --> 00:44:40,410
Asian teams are constantly playing against Asian teams. And that, that is

692
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:44,730
the problem in itself. Yeah, that's some really good points. And you

693
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:48,650
Know, I'm not really a big fan of the Nations League sort of stuff,

694
00:44:49,150 --> 00:44:53,090
I must admit. But you, you're right. Asia's the only confederation

695
00:44:53,590 --> 00:44:56,330
doesn't have it. And it's a nice rankings booster though let's be honest. It really

696
00:44:56,830 --> 00:45:00,010
does inflate the European rating side. It does, it does.

697
00:45:00,650 --> 00:45:04,210
And then when it comes to draw the draw time, it then causes all

698
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:07,970
sorts of issues because now the pots are decided by five

699
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:12,330
rankings. Having teams that are hyper inflated versus

700
00:45:12,830 --> 00:45:16,530
teams are probably undervalued in the rankings. This is how you get the matchups

701
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:20,650
where they're in, they're in groups where they just get absolutely murdered.

702
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:24,490
So again, if it's a fair playing field across the board, at least it

703
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:27,720
gives them a fighting chance to be in, in better groups. And also as well,

704
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:31,400
removing teams out of where they probably shouldn't be as well.

705
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,160
That's also a very good point. That's also a very good point.

706
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,320
Now let's dive back into

707
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:43,520
the Socceroos World cup and round it out, I guess with our

708
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:48,120
standout players of the campaign. I'll throw it to you, Scott, who I

709
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:52,200
guess were was your man of the tournament, shall we call it?

710
00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:55,580
Give you the pull for me that's called. Patrick beach was unbelievable.

711
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,340
Nobody even thought he was going to get a single second in this tournament.

712
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,180
He has become one of the best goalkeepers in tournament. He is right there for

713
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,980
me. I thought Harry Sutar was immense as well. We should not. We don't focus

714
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,740
on the younger players. That guy is a brick wall for us. He is absolutely

715
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:13,300
unbelievable. And so was Aiden o' Neill in midfield. I thought we missed him in

716
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,620
extra time. They would be the the Olympic podium for me in terms of the

717
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,230
best three at the World cup show. Yes, the young guys were great. Toure,

718
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:24,710
you're in. Kunda, fantastic. Volpatho, excellent.

719
00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:28,830
Metcalfe, nice goal. But those three I think were absolutely crucial in

720
00:46:29,330 --> 00:46:32,270
the way that we played and what we achieved. Those three were the best three

721
00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:36,710
for me. Yeah, hard, hard to disagree there with you,

722
00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:40,990
Scott and Aiden o'. Neill. I. He just really surprised

723
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:45,150
me this tournament. I don't remember him being that good on the ball and

724
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:49,420
reading the game that well. It feels like he's just gone up another level

725
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,140
since joining New York City perhaps. Or I've just

726
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,620
got a bit of a blind spot on Aiden o'. Neill. But Adam, who.

727
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,620
Who were your top three players of the World cup campaign for the Socceroos?

728
00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,020
For me. And it's a shame the way it ended for him. But Jordan Boss

729
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,060
I think was absolutely sensational. He. He potentially could be one

730
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,880
of the best fullbacks in the world based on that. And look,

731
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,160
I'm not saying that as exaggeration because look, being a

732
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:21,320
left fullback in the world game is a very, very rare commodity. And look,

733
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:24,960
we just hope and pray that the injury is something that

734
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:28,160
he can come back from very, very quickly because I think if he can get

735
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:32,080
back to where he was at this World cup, he's got

736
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:36,240
a very, very bright future. Look, he can't ignore Patrick Beach. He makes

737
00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:40,300
a. It's a sensational. What a what. What a story for him. And look,

738
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,740
I, I agree with Scott. I think Harry Sutar as well. I.

739
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:47,540
And I can't believe he's only 27. Scott had told me I thought

740
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,460
he was old than that. So the fact that, that potentially we could have that

741
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,500
back three of Sutar, Kachati and Harrington for the next.

742
00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:58,860
At least probably next two cycles at least

743
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:02,180
more with the latter two, I think. I think that's a

744
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,700
bright future for, for Australia because I think at the end day, the fence is

745
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,730
always where it begins. Starts. They're my top three. But also as

746
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:13,970
well, honorable mention Lucas Harrington. Not only for even what happened,

747
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:17,610
you know, with the penalties and all that for kid that's 18 years old.

748
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:21,530
He just looks so calm, so composed. You know, he,

749
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:24,970
He. He is just. He is just a freak of nature.

750
00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:28,970
And look, I, he probably is worth what, what,

751
00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:32,010
what everyone, all the, all scouts are saying, you know, just,

752
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:35,710
just the way he played in those two, two games or three games in fact.

753
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:40,150
Yeah, and I will mention. But yeah, look for me, yeah, Jordy Boss is my

754
00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:44,510
MVP for Socceroos. Yeah, Jordy Boss, I mean he's,

755
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:47,750
he's talk of the town and yeah, we just got to hope that, that injuries

756
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:51,430
all right for me, my top three, I'm going to make it up on the,

757
00:48:51,930 --> 00:48:55,030
on the spot. But yeah, I think Patrick beach has to be on that podium

758
00:48:55,530 --> 00:48:58,750
because for me, I, I didn't have him down for playing a single minute at

759
00:48:59,250 --> 00:49:02,760
this World cup, if I'm completely honest. And the maturity of his performances

760
00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:06,800
were, were incredible. Aiden o' Neill has to be on there because he was

761
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,680
simply outstanding in that midfield.

762
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,360
I'm going to go left field one. Connor Metcalfe.

763
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:19,120
For a guy that didn't play very many minutes

764
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:23,200
for St. Pauli this season through a combination of injuries,

765
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,240
form and just not being. Not having a

766
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:31,160
particular role in that St. Pauli side that unfortunately got relegated from

767
00:49:31,660 --> 00:49:35,810
the Bundesliga the face that Tony Popovich put in

768
00:49:36,310 --> 00:49:39,890
him, he repaid probably tenfold, if not more because you

769
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:43,530
can't really put a value on what he did. But he was just so crucial

770
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:47,850
to that Socceroos side when he played. And yeah,

771
00:49:48,810 --> 00:49:52,570
I really hope he gets a move somewhere where he's appreciated

772
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:55,210
for what he can bring to a footballing side.

773
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:59,970
Actually, I just want to. Sergio wrapped up the saying as well. We say

774
00:50:00,470 --> 00:50:04,110
that our topic three, but that list goes beyond that. Like I,

775
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:08,230
I think just in general, you look at everything else that goes on,

776
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:11,870
just focusing so on the players. I think every single one of their 26 man

777
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:15,870
squad should be proud of themselves. You know, they have, they have represented Australia and

778
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:18,750
look, I think the great thing is that, you know, and I used as a

779
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:22,990
great, you know, despite sort of the sort of, I guess the negative tinge.

780
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:26,910
So it is that the fact is, is that the dis, it's disappointment

781
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:30,470
that the Socceroos go out in the round of 32. Look, I think that's only

782
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:33,790
a healthy thing. I think some of the discourse may need to sort of settle

783
00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:37,630
down a bit. I, I, look, I think that Tony Popovich probably,

784
00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:41,230
you know, despite a couple of, you know, yeah,

785
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:45,070
questionable decisions during the tournament, I think I,

786
00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:49,310
I don't agree with, you know, him being sacked. I, I get the 10 of

787
00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:53,350
that. People like, you know, Kevin Fitz Boateng are saying, questioning whether he

788
00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:57,900
is the right man. But again, I think at least the Asia cup and seeing

789
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,940
his contract, they should not look at, they should not even talk about extending that

790
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,980
further until after the Asia cup and let that, let that, let that result,

791
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:09,580
let that lie before deciding the future for the next three, three to

792
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,420
four years. But yeah, look, I think, I think every player, they played their

793
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,900
part and they should be very, very proud of themselves.

794
00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:20,460
Yeah, well, well said, Adam. Well said. I, I think

795
00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:24,100
you're probably right in terms of Tony Popovic. It's time to see him going between

796
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,000
now and the Asian cup and that's going to run its course and then football

797
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:32,280
Australia will have a decision and that might hinge as well on the performances of

798
00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:36,480
the Socceroos at that Asian Cup. Now Scott, one last

799
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:39,480
point. I think we should probably cover. I know that you want to bring this

800
00:51:39,980 --> 00:51:43,560
up in terms of the splat, the playing squad. What did you think we

801
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:48,240
lacked and what do we need to find, I guess going into this

802
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:52,470
Asian cup perhaps first and then into the next World cup cycle?

803
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:56,310
I think it's more in the really big games when the games get

804
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:59,350
tight and the press is on and teams are putting the pressure on you.

805
00:51:59,430 --> 00:52:03,150
Can you keep the ball in tight areas and create things

806
00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:06,950
in the front third? We're having quick wide pace you players that

807
00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:10,350
we can produce a lot of those. That's not enough. We don't. We didn't.

808
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:14,590
We don't have enough of the technical players in that number 10 or

809
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:17,510
the wide area that can make things happen and break a game open. Yes,

810
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:21,140
for Parto is one. And you look at the number of players we have overseas,

811
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:24,580
there's a lot of them. We have a lot of really good young players going

812
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,260
through obviously Asian under 20 champions a couple of years ago. So there's a nice

813
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,100
group there. But it's just that creative link. And if there's one thing we're

814
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,540
not creating enough of, it's those types of players. I'm. I'm heartened

815
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,700
by the fact in the last four years the A league clubs have started to

816
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,950
trust Australian players in the front third in number nine, in. In the wide areas.

817
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:47,630
And you're seeing a whole glut of those players moving over season. And any

818
00:52:48,130 --> 00:52:50,950
number of them. I sent you guys through a graphic. You can pick any,

819
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:54,910
any of the 20 or so those we sent overseas and say they could be

820
00:52:55,410 --> 00:52:59,070
a part of the future. It's that creative link now that's the one last

821
00:52:59,150 --> 00:53:02,710
piece. We start creating more of those players. And if we

822
00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:05,950
can do that, that I think is what we need to find in the.

823
00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:09,830
In the next four years it's another handful of players who we can trust do

824
00:53:10,330 --> 00:53:13,550
that job. Because really outside of Volato and maybe Frustic,

825
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:17,150
I can't think of anybody that we have who you can really

826
00:53:17,470 --> 00:53:20,630
assign that role to in terms of being the creative player

827
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:24,990
to unlock a defense. I do have one. Yeah.

828
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:29,150
You're about to say who I'm about to say. Yeah, that and

829
00:53:29,650 --> 00:53:32,270
I, I sort of. I just want the general, the general sort of broader question

830
00:53:32,770 --> 00:53:37,010
to both, the both of you is that what happens if Riley McGregor.

831
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,480
I think Riley McGree. That's one answer. Yeah, that's one answer. But you're

832
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:44,880
right, he's not the only one. Do you need more than just a Riley McGree

833
00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:48,480
or look even Alex Robertson to a certain point. But while

834
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:52,520
untested, I, but I put. I put the question would how difference would have

835
00:53:53,020 --> 00:53:57,560
been if Riley McGree was fit? Do we even see Christian Valparto so chops

836
00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:01,560
for Australia and not Croatia? That's again, everyone says, oh just we don't

837
00:54:02,060 --> 00:54:05,770
need him. Forget about him. Same Argument for Parto four years ago. Well, Volpatto was

838
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:09,290
proved the point. We did need him. And look, if Sega chops to come back

839
00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:13,130
to Australia, we need him. He's again that create. He can make things happen in

840
00:54:13,630 --> 00:54:16,450
that front third and that's what we're lacking out. Yes, we've got great athletes in

841
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:20,290
that front third now who can really hurt teams in behind in transition,

842
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:23,970
but we need players to knit it together when we can't actually do

843
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:27,530
that, when teams are playing a lower block, when there's not space in behind like

844
00:54:28,030 --> 00:54:30,970
Turkey decided to leave for us in that first game. When teams don't do that,

845
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,160
how do we break them down? And that's the piece we have to find.

846
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:37,920
And as Adam said, Wiley McGree was clearly missing in this game yesterday.

847
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:41,120
He might have been the piece to unlock things and make it happen for Australia

848
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:44,480
and yet we need more than just him. We need more than Volpatto. That's the,

849
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,400
that's the piece we have to find more of.

850
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,520
Yeah, so that's going to be very interesting to see who can

851
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:54,680
step up and do that. You know, is it going to be someone from the

852
00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:59,250
A league that makes a move overseas or is it someone overseas that does

853
00:54:59,750 --> 00:55:03,330
a job? Moving from the A leaking, Alex. I mean we have seen in the

854
00:55:03,830 --> 00:55:07,450
last four years 48 players move from the A league to clubs in Europe,

855
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:11,370
Asia or America and not come back. That's a

856
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:15,210
real positive sign, that's a sign for the future that those players have gone to

857
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:19,330
good levels overseas and stuck and not come back. And I know seven have already

858
00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:22,250
left this year in the A league as well. You talk about players like Clayton

859
00:55:22,750 --> 00:55:25,900
Taylor who's just signed for Barnsley, Eli Adams to Japan, Sam Client

860
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,660
to Germany at St. Pauli. So that's a real positive. See more and

861
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,460
more that that number continue to grow. And look, Pat beach and Paul Ocon

862
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,300
will probably be amongst the next couple to go as well. So it's great

863
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,900
we're seeing that happen. We need more of it to happen. Keep flooding Europe at

864
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,460
that level and hopefully more stick because if they do, that's where you get the

865
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,180
nucleus of a national team that can go on and do something. Let's be very

866
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,500
careful. By the way, we're all excited about what this group can achieve in 4

867
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,710
years time. Not call them the golden generation. That team in 2006

868
00:55:55,950 --> 00:56:00,430
a prime kill, Viduka Collina, Rella Bresciano.

869
00:56:00,910 --> 00:56:03,990
That's. That's a really high bar to reach. Let's not

870
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:08,030
say they're definitely going to achieve that. They could but they might also just

871
00:56:08,530 --> 00:56:12,190
be a tier just below that as well. So let's not put too higher expectation

872
00:56:12,690 --> 00:56:15,750
on what they can be. Yeah just. Just going through this list as well the

873
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:19,150
midfielders as well. Just looking at like some of these names on here and I

874
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:22,050
got to commit you Scott again this is a. The very, very good list.

875
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:25,650
Have a couple of names here that really stick out as left field options.

876
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:29,170
Gianluca Okon and Noah Scoto.

877
00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:33,730
Wow. Interesting. They're all coming through the Suns. It's yeah it's

878
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:36,570
a great way to make you feel old, isn't it? I was gonna say that

879
00:56:37,070 --> 00:56:40,970
yeah. I just say I just felt like I aged another Nintendo's just reading those

880
00:56:41,470 --> 00:56:45,090
names but again that that's the immense future that we have and again

881
00:56:45,590 --> 00:56:48,700
I just. I'll sort of. This is dovetailed to my point about

882
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,020
that is that I always felt as though 2026 was always going

883
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,020
to be the start of something and again we got to the round of 32.

884
00:56:57,660 --> 00:57:01,340
It really excites me if everything goes to play football Australia

885
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,940
fund this properly and continue the forward momentum.

886
00:57:05,260 --> 00:57:09,020
What this team could do in 2030 or even 2034.

887
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:13,420
Even a 2032 Olympics it seems very,

888
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:16,970
very exciting. So look I think that's. That group

889
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:20,570
could go to the 2028 Olympics. How many of this squad that we just picked

890
00:57:21,070 --> 00:57:24,530
are eligible for the. For the next Olympic cycle. Would be

891
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:28,330
for example I mean I think Patrick beach would be Chicati in Harrington.

892
00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:32,330
I mean Jordy Boss probably isn't but Okon would be. I mean we could

893
00:57:32,810 --> 00:57:36,010
take him as a. As an over half our World cup team

894
00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:39,610
Alex to the Olympics without even calling him overage players. That's the,

895
00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:43,490
that's the development we can really see here. Yeah and then we've got that,

896
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:47,450
that under 20 side that won the Asian Championship last. Earlier this.

897
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:51,410
No last year wasn't it two years ago just got qualified. Yeah that's the

898
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:55,050
main thing. It's a lot, it's a lot harder qualifying than the

899
00:57:55,550 --> 00:57:58,810
senior world World cup to make. To make the Olympics.

900
00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:02,250
So look, but I look I, I have faith in this squad. I think that

901
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:06,130
this squad has made a marvelous you know steps forward and I just hope

902
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:09,980
like I said but I guess the final message may be that we don't.

903
00:58:10,540 --> 00:58:14,220
Our audience probably are rusted on football fans but you know tell your mates

904
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,500
tell those if it. Tell those far and wide that maybe are casuals that discovered

905
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,300
soccers don't jump off the Bandwagon the best is yet to come.

906
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,900
And look what we saw. The scenes around the country that,

907
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,540
that stick with the Socceroos because that is only going to get bigger and better

908
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:33,960
with this squad if you get behind them. Also and most importantly,

909
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:38,720
it's something that the football football supporters Associated Australia, which you,

910
00:58:39,220 --> 00:58:42,640
Alex, are very, very heavily involved in. So I probably should have left this

911
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:47,040
to you, but you can back me up on this. We really need to hold

912
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:51,160
the politicians to account that if they're going to wear the scarves with the

913
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:55,240
jerseys, we'll actually start funding the game and allow the game to get to

914
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:59,160
its potential. Because like I said, seems like we've seen over the last couple of

915
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:02,710
weeks they could only be bigger and better than 4, 8 years time when this

916
00:59:03,210 --> 00:59:07,070
team could potentially go further. Yeah, well said, Adam. And definitely

917
00:59:07,570 --> 00:59:10,230
if you're listening to this, make sure you check out the fsaa.

918
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:14,550
I'm no longer part of it, but yes, I was, I was earlier I

919
00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:18,190
was a committee member and secretary but I've stepped down recently. But they are doing

920
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:22,630
some fantastic work. No, that's all good, Adam. They're doing some

921
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:27,150
fantastic work and they do have a campaign to get in touch with your local

922
00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:32,430
member of parliament, I believe. So definitely check

923
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:35,990
them out, sign up and you know, knock on the politician's

924
00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:40,030
door, as you said, Adam, and you know, get, try and get some

925
00:59:40,530 --> 00:59:44,190
more funding for our wonderful game because there's some really exciting times ahead. We've got

926
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:47,950
the Women's World cup next year. We've got, you know, under 17s

927
00:59:48,450 --> 00:59:51,790
World Cups that we've qualified for later on this year for both the,

928
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:55,870
the boys and girls. We've got an Olympics

929
00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:59,750
coming up the year after. Hopefully the men and women both made that.

930
00:59:59,910 --> 01:00:03,350
And then yeah, World cup qualification campaign in Brazil

931
01:00:03,850 --> 01:00:07,110
series to look forward to. It's exciting times so. And also,

932
01:00:07,610 --> 01:00:11,150
and also as well just that point for those that may doubt what pouring money

933
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:14,470
into the game looks like, watch Morocco.

934
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:18,120
See where Morocco come from. You want to see example

935
01:00:18,620 --> 01:00:21,760
of when government in that case the, the king

936
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,680
just behind football in that country. Look what they're doing right now.

937
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,000
You look at, see how they're live and they, they probably out

938
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:32,440
of the. Of the sort of the, the old world order that looks like to

939
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:36,160
be domo. They look like the ones that could potentially wreck that war order.

940
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,680
They're in the world that. And that doesn't come from just,

941
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:43,360
you know, to just, you know, plain luck. So you want to see what money

942
01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:47,550
does to national programs just Watch Morocco

943
01:00:48,050 --> 01:00:51,030
next in the next week or so I think, because I think they know they've

944
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:54,950
got a great chance of going very, very deep into this tournament. And I must

945
01:00:55,450 --> 01:00:58,590
add too, they've also invested in the women's game as well. We should know because

946
01:00:59,150 --> 01:01:02,670
that they, they've invested in that women's team and I think

947
01:01:03,170 --> 01:01:06,150
they, I can't recall if they made the 2023 World cup,

948
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:10,110
but they were at some sort of international tournament recently as well.

949
01:01:10,610 --> 01:01:14,320
But yeah, Morocco, great example. And, and let's hope that

950
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:18,280
Australia can, you know, follow some sort of example like

951
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:22,960
that or, or the Japan 100 Year Plan or something in between those that would

952
01:01:23,460 --> 01:01:27,040
work more suitably for Australia, but I think we should end it there.

953
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:30,680
On that positive note and one more

954
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:34,600
time, Adam, I'll get you to plug your wonderful podcast that you do with Scott

955
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:38,200
and Kurt. The Brisbane Football Review. Yeah, so you can find

956
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:41,830
us on Facebook Raw Review or Brisbane Football Review.

957
01:01:42,310 --> 01:01:46,230
You find us on Twix at B Football, Instagram and threads.

958
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:51,030
You can find us Brisbane Football Review or lower case drop us an email

959
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:55,270
brisfootballreview gmail.com you follow us on goodpast

960
01:01:55,830 --> 01:02:00,230
podcasting platforms such as Spotify and Apple Podcasts.

961
01:02:00,730 --> 01:02:04,710
And this show will be on our feeds a bit

962
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:09,040
later on but also as well our our wrap up of the

963
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,080
mpl, mpl FQPL competitions on our Queensland Football

964
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:17,360
show and coming very very soon Australia cup preview

965
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,360
show and A leagues as well later in the year

966
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:24,920
with my good friend down there. This is not auto vision down

967
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:29,080
there Scott as well. So yeah so check

968
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:33,200
out again. Really really appreciate we've seen actually had a bit

969
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:37,260
of an influx of of of new viewers and followers

970
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,980
so I have to thank you for that Alex. I think it's your. Your audience

971
01:02:41,540 --> 01:02:44,580
are supporting so thank you very much. I appreciate that.

972
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,140
Hopefully it is and hopefully yeah that that will also

973
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,260
flood over to to my wire as well. That that would be nice but yes,

974
01:02:52,420 --> 01:02:55,660
all good. Thank you very much for your time this evening gentlemen.

975
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,340
I really appreciate it. Just because the soccer is out doesn't

976
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,570
mean we will not. No that was very bad. Doesn't mean we

977
01:03:04,070 --> 01:03:07,810
won't stop covering the World Cup. We'll bring you some updates along the way

978
01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:11,690
as schedules permit. But looking to round out the

979
01:03:12,190 --> 01:03:15,770
tournament and it might be a little bit less stressful now that the socceroos are

980
01:03:16,270 --> 01:03:19,370
out and we can actually enjoy the football let's call it. Is anyone changing their

981
01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:23,370
prediction because we all said Spain before the tournament. I'm officially changing France

982
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:26,250
you said Brazil. I'm changing mine to France. I think France are going to go

983
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:29,760
on from here. I actually, I actually have money in, I have money in Argentina,

984
01:03:30,260 --> 01:03:33,840
so. But there's a part of me there that I think France,

985
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,760
although after today's game, I'm not too sure, so.

986
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,680
But it's a very, very even competition right now. It is. Yeah.

987
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:46,360
So enjoy that. And yeah, we'll bring you some predictions

988
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:50,520
and updates and discuss all the controversies that no doubt await

989
01:03:51,020 --> 01:03:54,080
us on the road to the final in a couple of weeks time. But thanks

990
01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:57,860
again for your time. Adam and Scott really appreciated that and we

991
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,980
will talk soon. That's it for the Aussie football passport for this week,

992
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:05,660
joined by Brisbane Football Review. Enjoy the World cup and

993
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,340
we will be back soon to discuss that. Thanks for listening.