World Cup Semi Final and Final Reviewed with Brisbane Football Review

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Hello and welcome back to the Aussie football passport.

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I am joined for the final edition of

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our World cup specials with Scott and Adam from Brisbane

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Football Review. How are you, Scott? I'm good, but it is a bit of a

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bittersweet feeling Taser now the World cup has come to an end. Yeah, it really

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is. I'm going to have to go and get a life now apparently. So,

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you know, talk to people outside and things like that, which is going to feel

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a bit strange, isn't it Adam? I'm sure you're probably feeling the same.

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Yeah. 104 matches done and completed. The global

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festival football is over. And yeah, look, I'm actually a bit sad that

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it's over, but in a way, yeah, let's move on to

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the next. Yeah, yep. And, and this time we've got four years to wait

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and so the three and a half of course, like we did after Qatar.

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So that should be interesting. And of course the potential of

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64 nations taking part in the next World cup which

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will be held all over the world. FIFA's global tour.

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But anyway, we'll save that rant for later. Before we rip into it,

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Adam, I'll get you to plug your wonderful podcast of Brisbane Football Review.

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Yep, you can find us on Facebook review or Brisbane Football Review

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Brilliant. Thank you, Adam. And of course, as you are well versed

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now, Brisbane Football Review is your place to go to find out about

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all things happening in Queensland football from the Brisbane Raw

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all the way down to the state leagues here in Queensland.

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Now before we get into the World cup action that has

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taken place over the last week, we want to just give you some news on

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our socceroos and the first transfer domino

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has fallen. We expect that there'll be a few more and in fact

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there is a couple to discuss. But let's kick it off

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with Patrick Beech to tois on a five year deal,

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meaning we will have another player in the top five leagues

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in Europe which is fantastic stuff and on the back of a wonderful World

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cup, don't you think, Adam? For Patrick, very well

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deserved and we all, we all called it that, that Melbourne City were probably

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going to be on the hunt for a goalkeeper given the way Patrick beach performed

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during the World Cup. Full of Socceroos. And look, this is a

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interesting move. I think we actually all had him probably pegged going to probably New

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York City if, if he was going to stay within the City football group.

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But move to Troy is probably not a bad thing and again

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he's got, he's going to get plenty of practice playing

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against some of the best in the world and that will only increase

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his skills and hopefully a long stay in there even further

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for him. So congratulations to him. Just rewards for

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a very for a breakout tournament at, at the World

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cup. And we wish him well as we do with all our Aussies. Indeed.

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And off the bucket some strong performances domestically for Melbourne

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City here in the A League as well, which is really great to see.

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And of course we did see Matt Ryan go to Londs about

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a year ago from memory because he went to Levante after that and

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really revive his career after being in a bit of wilderness before.

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So it's a great place for young, talented players

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to develop. We know how many fantastic footballers come from

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Liga. It's just a production line and you saw it with the French, you know,

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making a semi final yet again in this World cup and we'll get to that

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later. But I know Scott, you also wanted to talk about Luka

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Ivanovich's move to the mls, which is

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again sound reward for an A League player.

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The one of the joint Golden Boot winners

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from this season. A good move, do you think? Yeah.

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Oh, it isn't a bad move for him. Again, he was the A League Golden

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Boot winner last year. He did really well in that competition. He's done well for

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the last couple of years and he was one who was primed for a move

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to either Europe or the mls. He's followed the well trodden path

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now of young Australian players going to the mls. As we saw with Jake Goodwood.

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Right. He can use that as a springboard to get to European competition.

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I'm sure Lucas Harrington won't be too far behind on that as well that it's

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not a bad move if you can go over there and get some quality,

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quality experience at that level over there. That's a really good thing. With Patrick

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beach, it's very interesting. They have two experienced goalkeepers over the

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age of 30, including one they just signed last year. So I imagine there will

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be a bit of competition there for him if the initial stages. But it's

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just great to have players moving from the A League straight to a top

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five league, isn't it? In terms of the way he has done that We've seen

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a lot of players go to clubs overseas. He's one of the first who've really

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gone to clubs in the top five leagues and I, Paul Oon did it last

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week. Last week as well. And it's nice to see that group of players in

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the top five leagues really building up now, isn't it, Alex? There's a lot of

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young players who are coming through at academy level who you can't really talk

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about and build up at this point in time because you never know what,

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what they're going to achieve. But to have first team players

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at top five leagues around Europe, that's how we are going to get better as

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a football nation. We need more of that to happen and there's some good players

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we've got overseas who are primed to get there, like a Jordy Boston nester in

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Kunda. But it's so nice to see players like Patrick

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beach make that move. And one young player who did move, actually I think Adam

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might be keeping an eye on is Max Anastasio who moved to AC Milan's

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B team as well. So that's a really nice thing. Good to see more players

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moving to that level. But we need more of it. Definitely. Yeah. And it's a

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bit of a throwback, you know, I'm hesitant to

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make the comparison to that generation from the, the early 2000s,

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but there's some similarities there in terms

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of players starting to make those moves. They've just got to make them as

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successful, we hope, as that generation and as you said

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rightfully, Scott, that will make the Socceroos such a better team.

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So it's fantastic. We've got Patrick beach there in Liguer.

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We've got Paul Oak on Angstler. Hopefully this week the, the paperwork

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will be sorted for his move to Cologne in the Bundesliga.

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I think we'll have Dylan Leonard at Schalke in the Bundesliga

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as well. Yes. We'll have Christian Volpato

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in the Serie A swallow. Well, whether it's at Seswallo or another club, that's to

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be decided. And of course Ali Chicati as well with Palmer or

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potentially another club, Villa as well. You shouldn't, we shouldn't forget about

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him either as well. And Casey Boss I think's on loan this year but he's

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also contracted at mine, so that's another player at our top five

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league. So we are building that list and we should also Antonio arena, he is

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an Aussie. Yes, yes, yes, he is. And he's on the books at Roma

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So hopefully he can sneak into that side. Of course. Casey Boss, as you mentioned,

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out on loan, funnily enough, at Excelsior Rotterdam. So there's

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a potential to play his brother in the Rotterdam Derby in the air

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of a dizzy this season. So it should be quite spicy that one.

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So mark that one in your calendars. Will the football

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public of Rotterdam forgive his parents wearing a half half jersey?

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That would be interesting. That would be very interesting.

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I'm not too sure of whether that is, yeah,

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a bit of a taboo or not. So I think the general rule is

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no half half jerseys and yeah, particularly if it's too rotte and teams

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right, they might be in some serious trouble there. From what I,

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from what I little know about Rotterdam, I was, I was there in November last

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year. Excelsior. I didn't really get much of a sense that anyone

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really sort of noticed. The big rivalry of course is Faroo

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and Spartan Rock Dam. So the fact that you.

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We're gonna have a, a Boss brothers derby, there might be one to

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keep an, keep an eye on. I think, I think it's been a while or

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if ever Excelsior has actually made it to the area to visit.

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So. But either way, yeah, pretty good to have two very,

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very talented Aussies rule Rotterdam. Yes, indeed.

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It should be quite good. It should be quite good indeed.

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Now some unfortunate news for a couple

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of our midfielders and teammates in the

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MLS for New York City. Aiden o' Neill and Kai Truan both have

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had ankle surgery, I believe, so they're going to be out of action. We don't

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have a timeline on that, so that's very unfortunate. But you could

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probably understand Aidan o' Neill's ankle injury running

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those long, long distances that he covered for Socceroos

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over those four matches. Just incredible to think that he might have actually had

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this injury while that, while he was playing the World cup. Just really

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I think shows a testament to the man, don't you think, Ganondham? Yeah,

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look, I know Neil, he is, he is very, very tough. And look

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he, he would have run all day and then

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some for the Socceroos and look, it's, it's, it's a shame,

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but then again it's, it's a bit of time off after

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another. Yeah. Another player that I think that it's going to

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get a lot of recognition. I. Look, I do think that if,

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when he returns, if he has a solid season, mls, I think he may be

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one of the next ones to maybe head towards Europe. I think that it'll Be

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very hard to ignore him, especially his exploits for the soft

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bruise in the coming years. Hopefully he's fit for September,

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Alex, because it's a home game for him in Brisbane. He's never played here in

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Brisbane as a Queensland kid, so fingers crossed he gets that chance because they don't

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play here very often, as we know, Alex, so hopefully he can get that chance.

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Yeah, that'd be lovely to see Aiden strutting

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his stuff on home turf. And to round out the soccer since

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there's some rumors of friendly matches being organized

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against Uruguay in October. And I'll throw this one to you.

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Hang on, hang on a second. Can you even use. Can you even use the

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word friendly in Uruguay in the same sentence? Sorry. Yes, you're probably

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right. Match. Some other. That's some other South American team you're thinking

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of, Adam. Yeah, yeah. Uruguay, I mean, don't even have the ability

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to kick lumps out of people. They were that terrible at this World Cup.

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I think most your Haguayans will even agree with me there,

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so. Oh. Oh, yes. Thank you, though, for picking me up, Adam. But Scott,

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I'll throw to you on that one. What. What are your thoughts on, you know,

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another South American outfit that will. A South American nation,

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I should say, that will play in upcoming windows. I think it'd be

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terrific. I imagine this would have to be at the Olympic Stadium down there in

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Sydney just for the. To historical purposes, but that would be a fantastic game,

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wouldn't it, if we had two games against Brazil and then maybe one or two

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against Uruguay after that in that elongated September window.

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It'd be a really nice way for the football Australia to capitalize

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on the World Cup. The. The growth soccer is. Have made in terms of getting

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attention around Australia. To have two really big nations like this coming out here and

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playing will be fantastic. It's good competition as well for our players to

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see how Tony Pockford uses that building up to the Australia cup, the Asia Cup.

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Sorry, but. Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to that. I hope it is.

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I hope that's true. I'd love to see Uruguay come back to Australia with their

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divine right and all the rest of it. Yes. Yeah, I think

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flying commercial. Yes, yeah, yeah. Making sure

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that they. They fly commercial. No sheep stations involved

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in those games. So that. That's. That's not too bad. But yes, I think

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it's good opportunity for the soccers to develop as well.

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Of course, we know that terrible record we have against

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South American nations. So this is a good Opportunity I

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think to get Uruguay and Brazil probably at, at the most vulnerable times that

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you'll ever get them. Don't you think, Adam? I do. I absolutely agree with that

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statement. I think that both Uruguay and Brazil will be rebuilding after

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what they would believe abject failures for

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them at, at the World Cup. But again we

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can't really talk, you know, about in the same breath about where Australia's

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performances performs at the World Cup. But then again our, the bar of expectation

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for us is so much lower than those football mad nations. So they would be

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looking to rebuild and not, not, not a bad, not a

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bad series for them as well to sort of start the rebuild

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against a progressive football nation like, like the Soccero. So I

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think the very interest is. And look, I, I hope we get four sellout crowds.

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Yeah, I think that, I think that the Australian football public hopefully will

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reward the Socceroos for, you know, for what was a great last couple of weeks

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and to get out there and support them because this is a, this is a

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very good team. It could be the start of something big as, as we've said.

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But over this whole, this whole series you think Sydney,

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Melbourne, wouldn't you Alex if, well he still be played if it's going to be

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two games. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. As you said, I think Sydney is

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a shoe in with the sort of nostalgia around 2005 there

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and the World cup playoff and yeah, Melbourne just because Melbourne I

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guess really do we need to say anymore? Yeah, exactly an

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hour, an hour flight. So not too, too far. Now Scott, you've just

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sent through some interesting news there around Harry Sutar and some rumors.

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I know there were rumors that there are a couple of clubs looking at him,

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the likes of Stoke, Wrexham. So he could even feature on welcome Direct which

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would help with the Australian viewership even though it

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is quite strong here. But West Ham look to be sort of in

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the lead there. So I mean what are your thoughts around that? Well,

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it's come from a Scottish reporter so that's probably where it's probably back in,

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you know, Scotland on holiday at the end of the World Cup. So yeah,

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West Ham apparently made him with their top transfer target, Wrexham, Stoke and Sheffield.

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I think it'd be great for him. Again I move away from Leicester. It has

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to happen, doesn't it? They clearly do not value him even if they're in league

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in the League one. I don't think they're going to play him very often.

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He needs to get out of there for his own sake and a move to

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a club like West Ham, which will probably be one of the prime contenders to

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get back to the Premier League. If he can get in there and have a

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solid year to get them back to the Premier League, it could be a way

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for him to really emerge as a Premier League defender, which he's got the talent

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to do. He certainly has got that. It just didn't work out for him previously

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when he was there. So I moved to a club like West Ham or Rex

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would be the same situation because they're probably both going to be in that same

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basket of clubs. They'll be there or thereabouts. So either of those would be a

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really nice move for him. Yeah, I, I like it. Either of those.

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The two W teams, I think that's the, the preferred clubs

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to go to. And let's hope they could suit him, though, with the long ball

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and all the rest of it from back in the day. We fit, fit into

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that team. They still play that way. Yeah, well, I, I certainly think Wrexham

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do. And I guess Nuno doesn't mind playing a bit of that as well,

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does he? And yes, I know one particular

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West Ham fan who is a friend of mine who will be very

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happy if that does happen. So,

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anyway, I guess we probably should talk about these last four games of

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the World cup, shouldn't we, gentlemen? So let's start with the semi finals, which were

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about four or five days ago now. It's all been a bit of a blur.

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And let's start with Spain versus France. And I'll throw

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it to you, Adam, but I thought Spain were very impressive in this game.

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I know we talked up France a lot this time last week,

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but the way Spain just seemed to suffocate France with their

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press was just incredible to watch, wasn't it, Adam?

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I think the one thing for all the hype that we had for France and

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look, it was justified too. Their midfield was found

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to be very, very fragile and rugby and

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Petrie in the middle there just absolutely,

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absolutely served. You nullified that the,

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the French midfield, which means they cut off the service to tell to

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that dynamic front four of France led by Killian

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Mbappe. And look, I think it was a perfect game plan

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and they, they showed, look, you might say what you want to.

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I, I know in the last show I did say something a bit anomaly about

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they're traveling to Dallas in to play indoors and whatnot, which look could

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have been a factor, but at the end of the day, this was a master

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striker tactical by Luz del Fonte and they're just absolutely

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just shutting down at midfield. And then Spain were

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able to take control of the game and really there was only. It was only

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one contest. Yeah, I really completely

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agree with your point around the midfield, Adam. I think it was the

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BBC pundit, Gilhome,

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I can't think of his surname, but he talked about the idea of the French

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midfield pretty much ever since 98, how they just sort of have those ball

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carriers. They don't really do anything too expansive.

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They just sort of play those sort of safe passes.

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And I think this is again where that idea, they sort of go,

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oh, okay, we've probably got to change that idea now because they've

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got talented midfielders there that aren't just athletes or ones

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that can do that tidying up. They've got really creative players in

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those positions. Whether someone like an Eduardo

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Camavinga could have done something a little bit different or offered something a

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little bit different compared to the profile of central midfielders that they

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had. Maybe, maybe not. That's, I guess to be debated in French

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pubs around the world, but I don't know if you saw

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it differently squad or if there was something that caught your eye in this game.

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I think you're absolutely right. I did say before when we did our last show,

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I said France had a gear that no one else could reach. Unfortunately, they left

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that gear on the east coast of the United States and put it completely in

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reverse because they look nothing like the side we'd seen earlier in the tournament,

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didn't they? And you're both absolutely right. It was a game one in the midfield.

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A bit like the final, which we'll get to later on as well. The numerical

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advantage and the quality of what Spain have in that midfield. I think France

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have a Spain problem. We saw it. I think they got beaten semi finals of

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the Euros two years ago. They got beaten in the nations, they got beaten now

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in the World cup. They have a problem with that. They've got unbelievable attacking talent,

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but that doesn't make a difference if you can't get the ball to them often

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enough. And Spain dominated the game through the midfield and that was the

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big difference. The three on two overload and the way they just moved the ball,

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just completely threw them. It was, it was just a very much a dominant

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performance from Spain. And yeah, the opening goal came from a penalty.

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That was a really clear cut penalty. But the goal was coming anyway. The way

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that Spain were playing and they were very, very impressive in this game. They completely

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dismantled a very good French side Yeah, definitely. And that's

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probably the other weak spot, I guess, with the French side. I think that left

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back spot is a bit of a problem for Luca Ding. I mean he's

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had a wonderful season with Filler, but I still think he's a

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little bit susceptible and, and we saw who's gone to psg.

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Yes, I believe the, I'm not sure if it's official yet,

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but I believe he is off to psg. So, I mean that's. The Duston

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Villa fire sale is well and truly on at the moment.

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You know, Morgan Rogers also heading off for a massive

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fee, which is just insane. But anywho.

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Yeah, yeah, I, I thought Luca Dean was a bit,

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a bit susceptible on that left side. Theo Hernandez is probably not

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much different really. Defensively he's very susceptible.

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And, and yeah, another, another area of the pitch where Spain pulled them apart

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really. And that's why they ended up 2 nil. And just a

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quick shout out to Pedro Poro as well. He looked like he's been coached

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by a good coach again like a couple of years ago.

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Just wanted to get that subtle dig in there. Now to the point,

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by the way, it was a, it was should CR Del Fuente because he has

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absolutely coached this group perfectly as well and this was a great encapsulation of that.

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Yeah, definitely an unheralded coach as well.

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Someone especially compared to another coach we're about to talk about.

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Yes, indeed. So, yeah, that's, that's a perfect segue

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to the next result. Of course Argentina to England won in the other semi

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final and yeah, you're right, Scott Thomas

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Tuchel got that one horrendously wrong,

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didn't he? He did get it completely wrong. Look, I'm going to start. I'm not

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a fan of England so I'm not disappointed in the slightest of what happened to

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them. But if we're looking at it in isolation for 17 minutes,

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they were definitively the better team. They had

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the running of the play, they deserved their lead and they, to me,

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I look, I thought they looked like they were going to go on and make

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a World cup final, as much as I didn't want to see them do that.

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And then they decided, now we're just going to sit back and park. Not just

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one bus, but park about four of them. And it was, it was just crazy

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watching it. You watching them, you're thinking push up, stop sitting back. At one point

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they had their defensive line not on nearly 18 yard box, on the six yard

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box. It was just crazy. And look, this Argentina side was probably a

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bit limited in hindsight, but if you're going to give players like Lionel Messi and

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company that much space in and around the edge of the area, at some point

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they're going to put in a good quality ball to, to unlock you. And that's

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what ended up happening. And, but it was a. A result manufactured by

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England. I can't believe they were that negative. And they had plenty

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of players that could have brought on in this game to be a threat going

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the other way, who could have done it, like players like Pakaya Saka never got

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involved in the game. You could have put him on to have a threat going

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forward in the. Just as an option to have a super Argentina to worry about.

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There was nothing for them to worry about. The more the game went on,

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they just kept bringing on more and more defenders. I know it worked in the

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azteca for what, 20 minutes or whatever against the side that ran out of ideas.

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This Argentina side was never going to run out of ideas with Lionel Messi out

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there. And look, look, we'll talk about Argentina shortly. But for me,

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England completely bottled this, this was, this was their moment to make a World

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cup final and they threw it away. Yeah. And, and let's be honest, this is

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why they brought Thomas Tuchel in after Gareth Southgate. There was that.

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That whole thing about Gareth South Southgate doing the same thing,

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playing negative football, playing five at the back, you know,

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not really making the most of the. The. The attacking talent

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that England have. And here they are again,

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exactly the same spot, the. The new boss,

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same as the old one. It's, you know, it's really, it must

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be so frustrating for English fans. I mean, like, it's the same stuff over

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the same thing, isn't it? It's the same as us with Egypt. We sat back

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as well. Not to that extent, but we sat back as well. So there's a

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lesson there for Australia as well. Look, yeah, you can, you can think you're out,

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you can think you're overmatched, but you've got to have a threat going the other

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way and otherwise that's what happens to you. So I hope if we learn anything

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out of this World cup as an Australian national team, please let it be that

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then you can't just sit back and park the bus with nine defenders and try

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and hang on Brimley because it just doesn't work. England can't do it with all

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the quality they have at the back. We can't do it either. So we please

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never do that again. Yeah, well said Scott, really well said.

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Look, I'm going to throw you under the bus now Adam. Try and follow that

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one up with your thoughts on the Argentina England game. Look,

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I can't, I can't, I can't disagree with both of you on that. I think

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you've got something absolutely perfectly. This was a game that

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England butchered and to Scott's point as well that again

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it's, this is where sometimes is the, is the coach more worried

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about, about you know, sue the egos than see

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the egos than you know than actually trying to win a football game or you

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know, doing what's best for the team. I absolutely agree with you that at

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some point while the changes should have been Harry Kane off

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Bukaya Sacco or Marcus Rashford or someone on have that

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fast counter attack, especially with Jude Bellingham which,

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which is a more shot we shot. And we'll talk about the third place

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playoff game as well. They showed that they had that in the locker that they

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could play counter attacking football. But why in the biggest game in

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a decade for England did they absolutely bowl it? And it comes back to Tuchel

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and again it's, I said yes,

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it worked in, it worked in Mexico City.

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But you cannot tell me for a second that Mexico,

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the Mexican attack, you know you're a player like Punanis

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is not the same player as a Messi or Natara Martinez

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or Julian Alvarez or any of those players. So I just, it just

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boggles the mind and you know I, it looks like that the FA at least

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are going to come out and said yeah to kill two Chelsea for,

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for the Euros. But look, if I'm a, if I'm a die hard English fan,

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geez I, I would have been screaming for his head and rightly so too because

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yeah, it's their football. But look, he's not the only coach, top line coach

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in this World cup that's actually got the tactics really, really wrong.

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There's some been some absolute howlers for managers across this World cup

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where you think wow, what I'm thinking, yeah, that's a good

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point. It has been the World cup for managerial bottle jobs,

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hasn't it really if you think about it, you've got you know, Bielsa at Uruguay,

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there's Ancelotti you could probably throw in there as

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well. I mean there's a few, there's a few other Nagels

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Nugglesman at Germany as well in

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Portugal. Yeah, yeah. Martinez is a, is a bottle job specialist.

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Sold Back into Norway as well. Yeah. Yes.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah, I. I thought, I thought he got it wrong. And look, I'll, I'll even,

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I'll even throw Pochettino and, and Popovich in that as well because

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I think at various times they also got it wrong or just.

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And then obviously the biggest ball job of all being what

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we saw happen this morning. Yes. And just before

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we rip into him, by the way, can we give him credit for what he

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did in the semi final? Because the way he, the way they went after bringing

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on Nico Gonzalez and. Yeah. DePaul and Lyle Toro, that was very impressive.

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The way they went on one the game as bad as England were and we've

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just given them the appropriate treatment they deserve. We've got to give Argentina credit

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because they were very impressive in the last 20 minutes. So before we completely rip

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apart Scaloni in the final, we should give him credit for at least getting him

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there. That's true. That's true too. And there's one other bottle job of

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a manager I want to throw under the bus. He's the Korean, the Korean coach.

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Absolutely horrendous and he should be put in jail for

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what he did to that side. I think the Koreans agreed. Didn't they get when

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they got home? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he

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pretty much lost his job. I can't remember if it was joke.

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I wouldn't joke about that for you. I actually did hear that apparently that the

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Korean president is actually ordered in quarry. So he may go to jail.

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Yeah, he should. He. Honestly, I. I'm not backing down from

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that statement. I want to make that statement. I feel very strongly about

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that. And he absolutely ruined their tournament for me. Obviously.

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Might be volunteering for military service. I was him. Yeah,

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probably too. Yeah, he might. He might be the first in South Korean to go

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across the border. Tenuk Korea.

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Yeah. Wouldn't that be a turn of events, wouldn't it? Hi, Kim, how are

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you? Anyway, yes. So before

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we get to the final, let's have a chat about the third place game.

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Because this was just absolute mayhem and yet

438
00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:19,770
it was the best game of the tournament in my opinion. Anyway. England 6,

439
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:22,770
France 4. And as you talked about,

440
00:28:23,270 --> 00:28:27,050
Scott Buka. Bukayo Saka had an absolutely

441
00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:30,690
brilliant game. Where was he at the semifinal? Seriously, the guy scored a hat trick.

442
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:35,370
I know he's battling fitness issues, but seriously, like even 45

443
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:39,690
minutes, surely you throw him on, you know, like it's. It's just boggles

444
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:42,810
the mind yet again. But, Scott, what. What did you think of this one?

445
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:46,810
Well, I. I'm not a big fan of the third place Plath as a concept,

446
00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:50,490
although I was reminded of the way that both Belgium and Croatia celebrated it when

447
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:53,970
they finished third in the last two tournaments. So maybe it does have some meaning.

448
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:57,890
But this was a game where you could very much tell, for the most part,

449
00:28:58,390 --> 00:29:01,850
neither side really wanted to be there. The French showed up in the first half

450
00:29:02,350 --> 00:29:05,850
and they were just walking around, just doing next to nothing, and England just ran

451
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:08,810
right over the top of them. And then in the second half, the French brought

452
00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:12,440
back at halftime. They brought the four guys in who they took out,

453
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:16,400
who they gave rotation in this game. And all of a sudden,

454
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,720
the intensity of the French sub we've seen throughout the tournament was back. And if

455
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:22,640
we'd had that in the first half, it would have been an unbelievable game.

456
00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:26,680
But unfortunately it was. It was a high scoring game. But look, it's a nice

457
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:30,360
showcase and all the rest of some nice goals, but the intensity just wasn't there.

458
00:29:30,860 --> 00:29:33,720
And I get it because the fact it's the end of a incredibly long season

459
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:36,550
for these guys have been over 12 months since I last had a break.

460
00:29:37,050 --> 00:29:40,270
If you count preseason, I understand it, but there was just no

461
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:44,550
intensity. It's hard to analyze it because there were times where it looked like in

462
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:47,470
the first half, France look like they weren't really into it. Second half, England look

463
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:50,390
like they weren't really into it. I think England deserve to win the game.

464
00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:54,430
They were the more consistent side over the 90 minutes, so their best results since

465
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:58,990
1966. Saka was very good in the games, no question about that. And I

466
00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:03,250
think it would have been nice to see Kane or Bellingham involved

467
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:06,570
more than what they were, because it could have been interesting to see the way

468
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:10,530
that. The way that England were playing, the way France were playing. Kane could

469
00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:13,450
have had four goals on his own and got the golden boot. So for that

470
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:16,290
case, it was a bit of a missed opportunity, but it was a game where,

471
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:20,090
look, it happened. I'm not a big fan. It's the first time I actually sat

472
00:30:20,590 --> 00:30:23,010
down and watched the. The place game. And I only did it because I woke

473
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:25,890
up early enough to do so on the Sunday. I normally give this game a

474
00:30:26,390 --> 00:30:29,900
miss. And it was. It was entertaining. I'll give it that. It wasn't my

475
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,020
cup of tea, but it was entertaining. Yeah, look, it's probably not one for the

476
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,140
purists, but it. It was a. It was a game nonetheless

477
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,619
that that showed maybe what can be done when you're

478
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:47,180
not so hell bent on parking the bus and so nervy

479
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,180
and, and trying not to bottle it and end up following? It was telling that

480
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,500
they came out on the front foot in the first five minutes, wasn't it?

481
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,870
Like that A point to proof. Yeah, yeah, I, I, yeah, I think England did

482
00:30:58,270 --> 00:31:01,990
sort of want to stick it up a few people and it certainly showed in,

483
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:06,190
in their performance, particularly in that first half. And Adam,

484
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:09,950
what, what did you think if there's anything in particular that

485
00:31:10,589 --> 00:31:13,550
stood out for you in this game? Look, this,

486
00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:17,190
this game would like, I know for football purists like us, we hated it.

487
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:20,590
It was killed if it come down to it. But I tell you what,

488
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:24,940
for the casuals, for the American audience, especially those that crap

489
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,060
on about, oh, new all ties and all that. Well, didn't, didn't these two

490
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,900
teams show them? And this was like a headed about

491
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,020
to what, like a 49, 42 scoreline

492
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,860
in the NFL game. This is just, it was just the fence was optional almost,

493
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,460
but it was a lot of fun to watch and I, I,

494
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:48,990
my personal story is that I was very upset

495
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:52,070
when Jude Bellingham was going to step up and take the penalty.

496
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:56,950
Yeah. And then Bukaya Saka got end up

497
00:31:57,450 --> 00:32:02,310
scoring to the hat trick that, that would have cost me 200 bucks responsibly

498
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:07,390
and but then Jude Bellingham scores that breakaway goal for the sixth

499
00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:10,950
goal and boy did I celebrate that. So look,

500
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:15,140
look, at the end it was a bit of fun again,

501
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,300
I think the crowd were entertained but look, it's one that will remember

502
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,140
for more. So as sort of a nostalgia actor

503
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,540
and sort of off the fish rather than sort of a great guy football because

504
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,899
look, it wasn't that great and it was two sides that clearly were

505
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:34,380
playing in exhibition mode. Yeah, I think that's pretty

506
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,220
fair to say, to be honest. And we're going to remember it. We've already forgotten

507
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,380
most of it, to be honest with you.

508
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:46,100
Yes. Yeah, we shall see. I'm sure England will remind us that

509
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,120
they can third at this World cup in the future when they don't make it

510
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:54,080
this far ever again. Anywho, now to the final

511
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,000
and well, Spain are

512
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,160
our world champions in the men's and the women's game.

513
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,600
So the first time that that's happened in football history,

514
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,600
which is kind of cool, but yes, Spain 1 nil over

515
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,590
Argentina in extra time. Ferran Torres

516
00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:19,030
almost called him Fernando Torres G the

517
00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:22,910
Liverpool heart. And he was strong, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Yeah. Even though He's

518
00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:27,110
a complete Judas. But anyway, yes, Ferran Torres with the goal

519
00:33:27,610 --> 00:33:31,150
in extra time there. Fantastic result, Football one.

520
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:35,110
But Adam, shall I start with you and your thoughts on

521
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:38,950
this one? Because, gee whiz, this was very interesting game.

522
00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:43,550
I got a question. Did Argentina show

523
00:33:44,050 --> 00:33:47,750
up to play football? They show up to try and get

524
00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:52,510
the penalties or like I said, it just is for a team with probably

525
00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:56,990
one of the greatest will go down. One of the greatest players in

526
00:33:57,070 --> 00:34:00,710
football history to this point, and a couple

527
00:34:01,210 --> 00:34:05,110
of very handy players as well. To be held to no

528
00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:09,740
shots on goal for 107 minutes is

529
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:13,500
incredible to me. I just do not know tactically what was going through

530
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,500
their heads. Look, Spain were good, don't get me wrong about that. Look, defensively.

531
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,060
And another player that we sort of don't seem to give players,

532
00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:24,660
and we don't seem to give enough credit to this in this World cup was

533
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,220
the center half pairing Laporte and Kubasi as well for Spain,

534
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:33,060
they've been Devon lights out as much as Rodri in front of them, who is

535
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,810
probably a very deserving Golden Ball winner. But again,

536
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:41,250
that doesn't sell the amount of creativity that it should be in that

537
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:44,890
team. The fact that they get only two shots on goal. And on

538
00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:49,050
the other hand, Spain, 20 shots on goal, 12 on

539
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:53,730
target. Look, I really, it really begged the difference did

540
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:57,130
only one team turn up to actually play football and win this game?

541
00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:01,490
Because I just do not know for life of me what were Argentine thinking going

542
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:05,540
into this final, how they prepared. And as I said, Spain were good,

543
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,340
but they weren't that good. Yeah,

544
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,740
well, I mean, Argentina looked at. They didn't. I mean, we got a

545
00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:16,820
preview in the semi final. You know, they. They were more interested in brawling with

546
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,220
people, weren't they? As they did after the whistle as well. But we'll get to

547
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,020
that later on. So I, I don't know.

548
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:28,060
I think it's probably a sign of this Argentinian side. I think they realize

549
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,940
that they don't have the legs anymore.

550
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:34,930
It's an older generation of players. Let's. Let's be honest here,

551
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:38,650
gentlemen. I mean, you know, Lisandro Martinez goes off

552
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:41,970
with an injury and you bring on Nico Otamendi and he's what, you know,

553
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:46,289
mid-30s, that they knew they were in trouble and they knew that they had

554
00:35:46,789 --> 00:35:49,170
to unsettle Spain from, from my point of view, now that I've had a,

555
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:53,330
you know, sort of over 12 hours to, to think about this now,

556
00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:57,370
and I think that's. That's really what it was. And I

557
00:35:57,870 --> 00:36:01,610
think Scott, you, you probably have some similar thoughts around that. Yeah,

558
00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:04,690
they're an aging side. Argentina at the end of what's been a historic runner.

559
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:07,330
We should give them credit for what they have been over the last eight years.

560
00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:10,530
As a international side they have been one of the best sides. They won a

561
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:14,250
World cup. But the majority of these players are now very much at the end.

562
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:17,810
And I said this to Adam actually over the weekend that Argentina had a problem

563
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:21,930
in this game before kickoff and that was the fact that defensively they defend with

564
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:25,890
nine, nine outfield players. Because as great as Lionel Messi is and you have

565
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:29,290
to have him in the lineup, he just does not do the defensive work.

566
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:33,010
And in addition to that, he doesn't do the defensive work. You had the same

567
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:36,930
problem that France had. You were overmatched numbers wise in midfield

568
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:40,410
and Spain just played through them for fun for the entirety of this game.

569
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:44,130
This was as one sided of a final as I can actually remember.

570
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:47,770
Normally both sides in a final will have moments. Think back to four years

571
00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:50,890
ago. That was an unbelievable game. France going one way, Argentina,

572
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:54,420
Diablo. It was brilliant. This was just a one sided game.

573
00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:57,740
There was very few times Argentina got the ball in

574
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,740
the front then you thought they were going to do anything until the last 10

575
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,420
minutes where they just threw everything at it. It was so one sided

576
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,540
that Spain just had so much of the ball. I thought they were although really

577
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,420
wasteful as well. Spain, they should have put this game away inside 90 minutes

578
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,300
and it was only the, the heroic defending of Argentina and the

579
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,460
say some Emmy Martinez that kept them alive. They were defending bravely but

580
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,570
at some point that was always going to run out. And Argentina, they ran out

581
00:37:25,070 --> 00:37:28,810
of legs, they ran out of ideas as well. They weren't set up to compete

582
00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:31,946
with Spain. That lineup they put out there, the way in that 4, 4,

583
00:37:31,994 --> 00:37:35,690
2 with the two wide midfielders, they just didn't have enough in midfield

584
00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:38,730
to be able to compete with that, that Spain side to get on the ball,

585
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:42,370
to get Lionel Messi to do anything. That's the quietest game I've ever seen him

586
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:46,050
have. He didn't have much of an involvement. You had to play because it's

587
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:49,810
his last game and he was the real ticket to get you a second World

588
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,700
Cup. But it just that the setup was never going to work.

589
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,820
The way that Spain play, once they got hold of the game there was only

590
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,180
going to be one winner and the way they play, I enjoy watching so I'm

591
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,180
very glad they're able to do that, but that's as one side as we've seen

592
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,260
a final in a very long time. Alex. Yeah, I think Peter Drury

593
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,100
summed it up pretty well in that call. I can't remember exactly what he said,

594
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,060
but it was something along the lines of this is the most dominant performance and

595
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,180
yet the margins are still so small. And you

596
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,350
know, Peter Drury, I think my personal favorite commentator,

597
00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:26,750
he just nails it with things like that. And you know, that comes from many

598
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:30,670
a year of watching football as Peter has. And he sums up

599
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:33,310
the situations in games so eloquently.

600
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:37,990
I just wanted to continue on your point. Scott, too. Around the Argentine midfield,

601
00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:41,630
if you look at it really, Enzo Fernandez is the only one with a

602
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:45,470
bit of legs there. The rest, you know, Leandro paredes and

603
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Rodrigo DePaul both the wrong side of 30.

604
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,760
And you know, yeah, they're both 22, McAllister's 27,

605
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:56,400
but he doesn't have the legs, as you know, as a Liverpool fan. Yes,

606
00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:00,360
yeah, he, he has no pace whatsoever, I can, I can rest assure you.

607
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,880
And yeah, I mean he, he's only really turned up for eight

608
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:08,840
games so far this year, this season. So let's,

609
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:12,840
let's make that clear and, and arguably only seven because, I mean, this game.

610
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,960
Did he really show up? I don't think so. It's more of a hack back

611
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:19,800
to his Liverpool form. But I guess for, for you,

612
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:24,320
Adam, you know, this is, I think there, there was another stat

613
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:27,360
I saw floating around that, you know, Argentina,

614
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,960
no shots on target. And it's the third time that the team has done this

615
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:35,880
in a final. All three times have been Argentina. So where,

616
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:39,360
where to from here for Argentina? Look,

617
00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:44,200
I, I actually fear for Argentinian football

618
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:48,120
sp being sort of, you know, that they look, look, I agree. Scott made a

619
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:52,360
very, very good point before about, look, you can't, no matter our feelings

620
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:55,920
about Argent, the way they play the football, everything that surrounds that

621
00:39:56,420 --> 00:40:00,640
they have been, they have been very, very good for, for probably

622
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:05,240
for two cycles now, building up especially, you know, through the World cup

623
00:40:05,740 --> 00:40:08,430
in Qatar as well. I know we got a very, very good look at them

624
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:12,020
as Australians as well, twice actually.

625
00:40:12,260 --> 00:40:15,820
And, but again, this is a, this is a shell, this is

626
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,980
a team that I think is at the end of their, their window.

627
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:23,100
I, I, I look at this team at the moment and

628
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,820
the big problem was that it's almost,

629
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,580
yes, having probably the best player in the world in Lionel Messi in

630
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,620
that side is a blessing and a curse because it's a, and it's, it's history

631
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,060
repeating itself as well. Yeah, I'm not sure you boys old

632
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,180
enough to remember. Even I can barely remember as well. Argentina after Diego Maradona

633
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,780
was the same where because there was no wide character, because Maradona

634
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,980
was such a cultured personality that there was not really the next one

635
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,540
coming through. And this is. And they've allowed it to happen again, Lionel Messi,

636
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,580
where you really cannot see who the heir apparent in that team is. Look,

637
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,380
maybe it's during the Elephants. I don't know. It doesn't seem to me you look

638
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,830
at young players as well and this sort of little statistics factoids

639
00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:14,310
that I sort of picked up that, you know, the. The next two highest rate

640
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:18,190
young players in the world under 24 years old are Thiago

641
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:22,630
Armada and Alejandro Gamacho. And I know Scott is

642
00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:25,190
about to absolutely crack because.

643
00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:28,870
Yeah, but you. But then, but then one of those can play football.

644
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:32,670
The other is a bit of a space waster. But you. But then

645
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:35,820
you look at the, the other. You look at the other three teams in the

646
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,500
semifinals as well. Spain, Lamina Mal, Paul Kubasi,

647
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:44,900
Pedri. Yo. They're Both all under 24.

648
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,460
You know that they're going to be a big factor in 2030. You even look

649
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,460
at France, you know, Warren, Zaya, Emery. That's not to mention

650
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,820
you've also got, you know, Desire Douay and, and you know, and a number of

651
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,180
other players, you know, Jude Bellingham for England and yeah, you could probably throw

652
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,800
in a number of other players as well. They got to be the linchpins of

653
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,320
that side. I don't see that with Argentina, so I think they need

654
00:42:07,820 --> 00:42:11,440
to draw what lasts I it. Even. Even Brazil have got, you know,

655
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,080
an endrick and a. And a rayon coming through as well.

656
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:19,040
And I know Brazil are even there even that confident

657
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:23,000
that those who can really support pull it up. So it's

658
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,320
a. It could be a very interesting time where the,

659
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,870
the dynasty of this Argentinian sort of football team,

660
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:33,830
I think it's come to a close and there's something really major changes with them.

661
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:38,510
And look, I think that's the immediate ushering at the door of Lionel Messi.

662
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:42,270
He's been the greatest since Maradona, but it's time for him to move on

663
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:46,190
for the sake of Argentinian footballers. And I know there's probably a lot of Argentinians

664
00:42:46,690 --> 00:42:50,030
that probably now, you know, probably hate me for saying that, but look, if you

665
00:42:50,530 --> 00:42:53,870
care about your. Your team, that's probably what needs to happen. I think he's

666
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:58,110
probably outside his welcome, probably two years too long. And I think that the national

667
00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:01,390
team is going to suffer for it because of it. I think it's suffered to

668
00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:04,190
this point. I think it will suffer if he continues on. Because we saw today,

669
00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:08,430
Alex, what happens when you're trying to carry a player defensively in

670
00:43:08,930 --> 00:43:11,670
the biggest of moments. Like, he could get Argentina to the next World cup,

671
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:15,150
he could get them through the. The group stage in the early knockout rounds,

672
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:19,870
but we saw this tournament, he didn't have the. The ability to defend at

673
00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:22,950
the front, and that was lacking for them in this game here today. And again,

674
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:27,200
I don't think they get any better in four years. So been unbelievable to Adam's

675
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,160
point. But this is the right time for him to step aside. A number of

676
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:33,920
his teammates as well, guys like DePaul and Parades, who we'll get to in a

677
00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:37,200
minute, and guys like Otomendi and many of the other players who've led this team

678
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:40,400
in the last eight years, and even Scaloney. Probably time for him to go and

679
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:44,800
test himself in club football in Europe somewhere because he's got a great resume behind

680
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:48,160
him. So I feel like this is the end of this Argentina sub. Whereas to

681
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:51,980
Adam's point, Spain, England, France, etc look like they've got

682
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,820
more to give in terms of what they have. So this is the beginning of

683
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,780
the end for this Argentinian group. It's been amazing, but unfortunately all things come to

684
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,740
an end. And for the great Messi, it's a situation. You got the three finals,

685
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:06,460
you could unfortunately only win one, but that's the one that he'll always be remembered

686
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,260
for. Exactly. And it puts him in the conversation, of course,

687
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,500
as one of the best of all time. And it's hard to dispute that because

688
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,860
he did win a World cup, whereas certain someone else didn't.

689
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,060
So, yes, I mean that. Anyway, that's a whole other story.

690
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:24,780
There is one Argentinian player that I do want to talk about that

691
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,700
is highly rated, Nico Paz. Now this, this young man is playing

692
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,740
at Como, so he has Fabregas as a coach. A lot of big grabs on

693
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,460
him. I think he only got very few minutes in

694
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,524
this game, is in this game, in this World Cup. I think he's 20,

695
00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:44,510
21. Lot of big raps on him. So where,

696
00:44:45,010 --> 00:44:48,710
you know, again, it's always difficult, but the main issue I think Argentina

697
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:52,230
have is because they've built completely around Messi. Yeah.

698
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:56,150
And now Messi is. Well, let's be honest, he's over the hill and he's done

699
00:44:57,110 --> 00:45:01,150
how do you. How do you put a football team together that doesn't

700
00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:05,070
have Messi striker at Madrid as well? Like the lot. Is it

701
00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:08,870
master Antonio or something? Master, yeah. I think he's another.

702
00:45:09,370 --> 00:45:11,270
I feel like he could be a part of his slim as well. Yeah.

703
00:45:11,770 --> 00:45:14,790
So there are players there but again it's, you can't,

704
00:45:15,490 --> 00:45:19,530
I don't. It's always dangerous that you build around one player. I know that

705
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:23,890
mess is a once in a generation talent, once in a even

706
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:28,090
more sort of talent, but that's the danger. So you know,

707
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:32,010
hopefully with a couple of these young lads they can come through and, and you

708
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:35,890
know, divvy up the workload, so to speak, and make it a more pertain performance.

709
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:39,890
Because that's ultimately what Spain did. They showed the way that modern football

710
00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:43,210
and football should be played. It's a team sport at the end of the day

711
00:45:43,710 --> 00:45:46,780
and it's, it should be a collective and you should all be buying into

712
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,740
the coaches ideas and, and that's what Spain did. But let's go

713
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,620
on to the dark arts of Argentina and I mean look, it's, it was

714
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,460
pretty disgraceful, let's be honest, wasn't it Scott? I mean I,

715
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,140
I, I just, it was, I'm really disappointed.

716
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,940
I, I thought Argentina, maybe I was a bit naive, I thought

717
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,100
they were better than that. But they were, they were horrendous.

718
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,800
We've given Argentina credit for what they've been over the last eight years. Now let's

719
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:15,560
assess what they did today because they didn't play much football at all. They were

720
00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:18,880
very much there to try and get under the skin of the Spanish side.

721
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:22,800
And before we tear into Argentina, credit to Spank, they never bought into any of

722
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:27,000
it the entirety of the game. They were just going about their business, ignoring the

723
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:31,360
Argentinian tactics which were to try and get under the skin a lot of physicality

724
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:34,520
from them, a lot of leaving a foot in or a shoulder or whatever it

725
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:38,560
might be. It was very much a physical situation. Enzo thoroughly

726
00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:42,720
deserved his red card for that challenge. He sent the guy into a somersault.

727
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:46,240
That's a pretty clear yellow card. So that's a hard to argue that one.

728
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:49,800
I know he tried to argue it, but really that was clear as dam.

729
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,320
Some of the other guys could have been sent off as well, including Brady's.

730
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:56,400
When he came on at halftime, he was more interested in kicking people on the

731
00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:00,400
ball. So that was clearly the focus for Argentina. They were using all

732
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:02,960
the tricks of the trade that they've got. We know they are the masters of

733
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:06,800
the dark arts, not just in this tournament, but in tournaments prior as

734
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:09,920
well. And all that stuff caught up with them today because once you strip away

735
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:12,880
all of that, what have you got? And they didn't have enough out there and

736
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,400
there was too much that today from them. And it was very disappointing to

737
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:20,600
see a great nation like Argentina resort to that as their almost sole

738
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:24,400
weapon in this game. So they didn't have much else. It was very disappointing to

739
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:28,240
see the game descending into that from their perspective. And I was glad Spain didn't

740
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:31,350
allow themselves to engage in it and they just played their football to lose.

741
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,020
One side out there was trying to play football because I don't think Argentina tried

742
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,980
to play too much of it. No, they were trying to play

743
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,780
a bit like lust Pumas, I think a bit of rugby union out there from,

744
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,700
from what I could see. So. And then, yeah, I mean even the,

745
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,580
the off field stuff after the game, Adam, I think it was disgraceful.

746
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,100
I saw Molina sort of doing a half coat hanger to one of the Spanish

747
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,890
players. We saw it was a.

748
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:03,090
Our friend Paredes taking on Gavi as

749
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:06,410
well. Was that. That was the one you wanted to talk about, Adam, I believe.

750
00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:10,090
Yeah, I think after full time as well.

751
00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:14,090
Look, I don't know if Gabby gave. Gave him a God

752
00:48:14,590 --> 00:48:17,770
gave paraded golf ball. That's how he's reacted. But still you try.

753
00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:21,930
So if you're punching and choking, all that's just unbecoming of a football,

754
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:26,200
that looking. And look, he did get shown a red card after,

755
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,120
after the, the whistle. So we'll. We'll see. We'll see. It should be

756
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:32,800
a long ban, but it looks like. To be honest, I don't think at this

757
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,440
point it's either a factor. I probably think he's done as a

758
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:39,840
international footballer anyway. He can just go, he can go around,

759
00:48:40,340 --> 00:48:42,840
be a thug of Boca Juniors for the rest of his time. It's, you know,

760
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,120
outside had a mind almost. But look,

761
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,640
yeah, it's. Look, I agree that it's

762
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:53,720
just, it's disappointing but, but also in

763
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:58,360
a way, Argentina, they. It just, it just devolved

764
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,200
for them and it's a sort of sh. Even. Even the sort of class of

765
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:06,319
stuff like turning their back on the presentation. I think what

766
00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:10,160
I said to you boys before the, before, before we started recording

767
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:14,360
as well. Look, how, how would they feel that, you know, France did that to

768
00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:17,520
them four years ago in Qatar and. Or three and a half years ago.

769
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:21,310
And again, I, I look, I know that. Disappointed. I get that. But that's that

770
00:49:21,810 --> 00:49:24,710
is the ultra side of disrespect. When you just turn your back on them,

771
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:28,470
I'm sure there'll be some spin saying that, oh, they'll celebrate with

772
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:31,910
the fans, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, come on, you know,

773
00:49:32,410 --> 00:49:35,510
don't, don't try to code at any word. And to.

774
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:39,990
The funniest thing is, is that maybe we talk. Talk generalized

775
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:44,030
terms. This is probably not the most egregious thing that actually happened on

776
00:49:44,530 --> 00:49:47,740
this day during the, during the final. I think that there's

777
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,740
a. I think there's a lot to unpack this whole final.

778
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:54,700
And for the only the bright spark was Spain play football,

779
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,420
which I don't know what is about Spain this second World cup final.

780
00:49:58,580 --> 00:50:02,180
And they seem, they seem to attract teams that,

781
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:06,940
that all they want to do is kick and kick and not play. Because I,

782
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,060
I think that we saw similar this deja vu to Johannesburg in 2010.

783
00:50:11,790 --> 00:50:15,630
Oh, my Lord, Adam, you're so true. But Scott, I'll throw it to you because

784
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:19,870
you were red hot on wanting to join the conversation

785
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:23,390
here. I was just going to add. The parallels between Spain's two World Cups are

786
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:26,590
uncanny, aren't they? They drop points in the first game of the group, then they

787
00:50:27,090 --> 00:50:30,630
cruise through from that point on with their football doing the talking. Adam's point.

788
00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:34,510
Yeah. Johnny Heitiger kicking everything in sight in Johannesburg. And now

789
00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:38,310
we've got Enzo Hernandez sending players doing somersaults. So they are

790
00:50:38,810 --> 00:50:41,190
very similar to the way the two games are played. And I agree, by the

791
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:44,790
way, the stuff after the game was absolutely disgraceful. There's a,

792
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:48,390
There's a way to lose. I understand it's a World cup final and it must

793
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:51,710
hurt to lose a game of that magnitude, but there's a way to lose.

794
00:50:52,210 --> 00:50:55,430
You have to show a bit of humility. And at least, even, even if you're

795
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:59,030
just shaking their hand and moving on, just. There's a way to lose

796
00:50:59,530 --> 00:51:02,750
in Argentina, unfortunately, they didn't play very well in the game and they weren't

797
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:07,340
much better after the game, were they? No, they weren't. And I just want

798
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,860
to also draw people's attention to that wonderful bit of karate that

799
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:15,620
Nigel Diong executed on Xabi Alonso in 2000.

800
00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:20,100
My bad. Apologies. No, no, you're right. No, I think I did get shown red.

801
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:23,900
Yeah, he. Yeah, high Tinger was kicking everything. You're right. But it just wasn't

802
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,460
the most famous kick from that game, that's all. I just, I, I just want

803
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,700
to put that image in people's minds out there because it's

804
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,580
absolutely fantastic. And if you haven't seen it, seen it, do yourself a favor and

805
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,660
get on Google and, and check that out. But that's, I think that might be

806
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,060
a good, good spot to leave it with the Nigel Diong fly kick to Xabi

807
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,259
Alonso. What do you reckon, gents? I mean, it's been a pleasure doing this with

808
00:51:46,759 --> 00:51:50,300
you over the last four or five weeks and I am going to miss it.

809
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,340
I am going to miss the World Cup. I'm going to have to get a

810
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,940
hobby or something and I don't know, it's. It's going to be weird, but.

811
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,460
Okay, we'll have to do it. So. All the best, Scott. I mean, you've got

812
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,330
plenty to do with MPL coverage, so I'm sure that'll keep you. Thanks for the

813
00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:06,730
reminder of that. Frontier got plenty to do in that case. Also with the national

814
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:10,370
teams, we have the soccer is coming up in September, but also the Asia cup

815
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:13,850
coming up in six months as well. And the, the road to 2030 begins today.

816
00:52:14,250 --> 00:52:18,250
The World cup final descended, what, 12 hours ago, give or take. And now

817
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:22,330
the long road to 2030 in the. The centenary edition of

818
00:52:22,830 --> 00:52:25,370
the World Cup. It begins now. And there's a lot of things happen between now

819
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:28,380
and then and bring it on. I'm looking forward to that World cup in a.

820
00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:31,850
I would like it to be a bit sooner because it's. You always miss it

821
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:34,250
when it's gone, don't you? You get yourself into that rhythm of watching all the

822
00:52:34,750 --> 00:52:37,130
games and once it's gone, you got to figure out what you were doing six

823
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:39,890
weeks ago to try and fill that timing game. But it has been a lot

824
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,850
of fun doing these World cup shows. Would be nice for Australia to go a

825
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:47,010
little bit further, but it's been fun nevertheless, Alex. Yeah, that's right. We made the

826
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:51,210
knockout stages, which was the main thing. I think it's a pass mark. But yeah,

827
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:54,530
it feels like we could have done better. You're 100, right?

828
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:58,060
And I'm sure you agree, Adam. Yeah, look, I do,

829
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,780
yeah. And again, it's actually been, it's been a lot of fun that I know,

830
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,620
especially Scott and I actually jumping on actually talking about stuff that

831
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,500
we don't normally talk about. You know, we don't normally get to have free shots

832
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,420
at, you know, every, every country in the world. You know, obviously we,

833
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,780
we're very Queensland focused or socceroos focused or, or, or so

834
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,960
or such. So, yeah, there's actually been a lot of fun to talk about the

835
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:25,240
world game and talk about the brightest stars in the,

836
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,400
in the world of football. But look, also let's,

837
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:33,560
let's not forget as well that we are only just under a year away

838
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,320
from the Women's World cup as well. So the Matilda's,

839
00:53:37,479 --> 00:53:40,840
that could be a very, very interesting road as well.

840
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,520
So that. But look, at least in the meantime,

841
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:47,280
Socceroos against Brazil in, in September.

842
00:53:47,780 --> 00:53:50,690
That should be a lot of fun. Yeah, it should indeed.

843
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:54,570
Two very interesting trajectories both

844
00:53:55,070 --> 00:53:58,610
countries are on. Brazil on the slide, Australia hopefully on the up. Also just

845
00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:03,210
want to make mention that we do have under 17 women's and under

846
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:07,130
17 men's World cup coming up later in the year, which I'll look

847
00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:10,650
to cover as well. So I might need to enlist you gentlemen to help me

848
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:14,570
out with that in the future. But we can discuss that off air

849
00:54:14,890 --> 00:54:18,490
and we will let the good people go. Thank you very much for listening.

850
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:22,360
Really appreciate you. I hope you've enjoyed listening

851
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:27,080
to these rambles on world football, the Socceroos

852
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,360
and the World Cup. I can't wait.

853
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:33,920
We'll pencil it in for four years time, hey gentlemen. Sounds like a

854
00:54:34,420 --> 00:54:37,800
plan. Ciao. Brilliant. Thank you very much, Scott and Adam. Really appreciate it.

855
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,760
All right, that's it for the last of The World Cup 2026

856
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:47,490
review shows with the Aussie football passport and Brisbane football

857
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:51,450
review. Thank you once again for listening and goodbye